Yes James - I have been saying that every time i see Quintana pitching Sterns annoys me and everybody can figure out why. And Mendoza should fix his line up - enough with Landor batting so high up and worse yet is Nimmo! Bench him and put in Marte. Losing is bad enough, but they are not even entertaining in their losses
The Walking Dead
I fully expect the METS NOT to make even a wild card - and Sterns. Mendoza deserve to be fully embarrassed by their decision or no decisions
I agree Stearns is annoying with his smugness. We are stuck with the same rotation next year unless Cohen eats more to get rid of some of them. We have kids languishing in AAA who are getting mileage on those elbows with nothing to prove. Literally, traded Gilbert away. A guy who plays CF and could’ve helped us this year. Idk for a guy who we waited for to run the organization one year doesn’t curry a lot of rope in this town. They keep thinking they are going to get hot and make some run but to me you need to do that all year to even hope it’ll happen in the post season. Milwaukee is doing it right now and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit they hammer through to the World Series.
The Mets have made some horrific decisions regarding their pitching staff in last 7-10 years. But Back in late 70s they traded Seaver to the Reds, in '70 traded Nolan Freekin Ryan to Texas, have failed to cultivate pitchers in the farm system (which won them a world series in '69) then bought 2 Hall of Famers just past their prime and lost hundreds of millions.
They’ve cultivated plenty of great pitchers. The first 5 five of Pulsiper& the gang then the second with deGrom becoming what he has. It has been few and far between though I agree
With all the Mets' problems, the oddsmakers STILL have them in the playoffs by a good margin.
The Mets are going to have to work out being eliminated, especially if one of the wannabees doesn't suddenly have a fantastic stretch run. For instance, if the Mets win the Reds series (2-1), and the Reds are far from unbeatable, the Reds would have a three-game deficit if things even out.
The Mets have it in them to blow it, but that's the mentality fans and players need to have.
As to the pitcher situation. Soto was a message signing as much as anything. How much of that contract will cover years when he won't play at that elite level? He is not going to be playing at it when he's in his late 30s, I suppose. He will be injured and slump at times. But it was felt that it was worth signing the guy. He gives the team a special talent for years.
At some point, the Mets are going to have to "waste" some money on starting pitching (other than Montas). The discount rack can have great deals, but sometimes you have to purchase at least one overpriced suit. I think they needed to find someone, overpriced or not, at the trading deadline.
They probably still need one in the offseason. It's a risk, but we have a ridiculously rich owner, and just how much of a risk would at least one pitcher be?
I like the overpriced suit analogy. I kept repeating over the winter that the Mets were relying on hopes/prayers for the starting staff too much. You'll recall the Mets were apparently never serious in their pursuit of Fried, Snell, or Burnes. And it's mysterious why they were willing to overpay Montas but didn't pursue Quintana. And I'm with you, I like the Soto signing a lot. He's not the most rounded player and I know his BA with RISP is dreadful but that will change.
The one that kills me is Lugo. He wanted to be a starter but the Mets, like Democrats, made the wrong decision. Every time I see Wheeler pitch I weep for what could have been
Michael King is the guy I wanted. I like his mechanics, I like his stuff. He would have been the guy to slot in rather than Montas (a signing the logic of which still escapes me, although I was as hopeful as anyone the Pitching Lab would perform a miracle).
Bring back Q for the fifth starter and all of a sudden it's Manaea, King, Peterson, Senga, Quintana and whoever you want for the sixth guy. If you want it to be Holmes on a conversion, great; you can limit him to 125 IP as the sixth man and you're good to go for 2026.
But hey, what do I know. I'm just a dude with a keyboard. 🤷♂️
Anyway, water under the bridge. The big question is what do we do now. We have what we have, and other than Acuña coming back up and either McLean or Sproat (or maybe both, if someone is sent packing) getting a call, we win or lose with what we have.
I vote we start by playing better baseball, one pitch at a time.
Check the SP ERA. So, not it’s not just the hitting that stinks with inconsistency. It’s the collapse of the SP. Taken together they cant-and haven’t-won. For me with such a horribly under performing team, I’d rather an upstart get in. Cleanse the bitter taste for next year
It would seem ridiculous to pack it in at this point and look at next year. I'm of the belief you give the kids a chance and hope that the team catches lighting in a bottle. Bring back Acuna and give him some time at SS to help Lindor get it going again. Shake it up, who knows!
Quintana is 10-4 for the Brewers and wanted to come back. Just sayin’. This team is cooked.
Yes James - I have been saying that every time i see Quintana pitching Sterns annoys me and everybody can figure out why. And Mendoza should fix his line up - enough with Landor batting so high up and worse yet is Nimmo! Bench him and put in Marte. Losing is bad enough, but they are not even entertaining in their losses
The Walking Dead
I fully expect the METS NOT to make even a wild card - and Sterns. Mendoza deserve to be fully embarrassed by their decision or no decisions
Yes, they are cooked
I agree Stearns is annoying with his smugness. We are stuck with the same rotation next year unless Cohen eats more to get rid of some of them. We have kids languishing in AAA who are getting mileage on those elbows with nothing to prove. Literally, traded Gilbert away. A guy who plays CF and could’ve helped us this year. Idk for a guy who we waited for to run the organization one year doesn’t curry a lot of rope in this town. They keep thinking they are going to get hot and make some run but to me you need to do that all year to even hope it’ll happen in the post season. Milwaukee is doing it right now and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit they hammer through to the World Series.
The Mets have made some horrific decisions regarding their pitching staff in last 7-10 years. But Back in late 70s they traded Seaver to the Reds, in '70 traded Nolan Freekin Ryan to Texas, have failed to cultivate pitchers in the farm system (which won them a world series in '69) then bought 2 Hall of Famers just past their prime and lost hundreds of millions.
They’ve cultivated plenty of great pitchers. The first 5 five of Pulsiper& the gang then the second with deGrom becoming what he has. It has been few and far between though I agree
With all the Mets' problems, the oddsmakers STILL have them in the playoffs by a good margin.
The Mets are going to have to work out being eliminated, especially if one of the wannabees doesn't suddenly have a fantastic stretch run. For instance, if the Mets win the Reds series (2-1), and the Reds are far from unbeatable, the Reds would have a three-game deficit if things even out.
The Mets have it in them to blow it, but that's the mentality fans and players need to have.
As to the pitcher situation. Soto was a message signing as much as anything. How much of that contract will cover years when he won't play at that elite level? He is not going to be playing at it when he's in his late 30s, I suppose. He will be injured and slump at times. But it was felt that it was worth signing the guy. He gives the team a special talent for years.
At some point, the Mets are going to have to "waste" some money on starting pitching (other than Montas). The discount rack can have great deals, but sometimes you have to purchase at least one overpriced suit. I think they needed to find someone, overpriced or not, at the trading deadline.
They probably still need one in the offseason. It's a risk, but we have a ridiculously rich owner, and just how much of a risk would at least one pitcher be?
I like the overpriced suit analogy. I kept repeating over the winter that the Mets were relying on hopes/prayers for the starting staff too much. You'll recall the Mets were apparently never serious in their pursuit of Fried, Snell, or Burnes. And it's mysterious why they were willing to overpay Montas but didn't pursue Quintana. And I'm with you, I like the Soto signing a lot. He's not the most rounded player and I know his BA with RISP is dreadful but that will change.
Believe it or not, we pay Ryne Stanek more than the Brewers pay Quintana.
oooh....that hurts Kevin....more money 💰
Ouch!!! That hurt to hear that!!
The one that kills me is Lugo. He wanted to be a starter but the Mets, like Democrats, made the wrong decision. Every time I see Wheeler pitch I weep for what could have been
It looks like Senga can only opt-out after 2025 if he pitches a combined 400 innings over his first 3 years.
He won't get there, so he can't opt-out.
I didn’t think he could either
Never thought I’d say I miss Jose Quintana and Adrian Hauser.
Q is hard.
The other guy struggled here. He might be the sort who works better somewhere else.
Any pitchers coming out of Japan for 2026?
Michael King is the guy I wanted. I like his mechanics, I like his stuff. He would have been the guy to slot in rather than Montas (a signing the logic of which still escapes me, although I was as hopeful as anyone the Pitching Lab would perform a miracle).
Bring back Q for the fifth starter and all of a sudden it's Manaea, King, Peterson, Senga, Quintana and whoever you want for the sixth guy. If you want it to be Holmes on a conversion, great; you can limit him to 125 IP as the sixth man and you're good to go for 2026.
But hey, what do I know. I'm just a dude with a keyboard. 🤷♂️
Anyway, water under the bridge. The big question is what do we do now. We have what we have, and other than Acuña coming back up and either McLean or Sproat (or maybe both, if someone is sent packing) getting a call, we win or lose with what we have.
I vote we start by playing better baseball, one pitch at a time.
Check the SP ERA. So, not it’s not just the hitting that stinks with inconsistency. It’s the collapse of the SP. Taken together they cant-and haven’t-won. For me with such a horribly under performing team, I’d rather an upstart get in. Cleanse the bitter taste for next year
It's the collapse of their hitting, not pitching, that has done them in.
It would seem ridiculous to pack it in at this point and look at next year. I'm of the belief you give the kids a chance and hope that the team catches lighting in a bottle. Bring back Acuna and give him some time at SS to help Lindor get it going again. Shake it up, who knows!