To me it's the starting rotation which was pretty good though June, and other than Peterson no one is capable of going 5 or 6 innings. I would take my chances with the minor leaguers sprinkled in and hope Senga can put it together. Soto has done what the front office wanted, he has put more asses in the seats, and will eventually put up the numbers expected. He is far from the reason the Mets have not played better.
We are stuck with 14 years of Soto, a very casual player. I was hesitant during the chase, wanting him more so the Mets could finally win a free agent battle, after coming in second in a few. A team leader, a dynamic superstar, he is not. Right now the best hitter on the Mets is an aging Starling Marte. But the biggest problem is the manager Carlos Mendoza. I get not panicking, it is a long season, et al. But it is go time. and he does not seem to realize it. You can rely on guys to play to their baseball cards - this is not strat-o-matic. Hernandez disappointed me last night saying for Mullins, not to steal, to open up a shot for Torrens to hit it through the right side. He tried, hit it right to the second baseman, and we were done. This is a bad chemistry mix, a mediore manager who does not know how to push the right buttons, and a bad job by Stearns.
Nope. Not Stearns fault that Manea and Senga have crapped out. Or Mendoza's. I love Soto. Stop complaining that he's not superman, not Willie Mays. There's not a lot of them out there.
Joel, No disrespect, but Soto can run every time for what he is paid. Lindor can do it playing short, Soto can do it. Set a goal to be a Gold Glove outfielder and near the bottom of fielding ratings and has not met a cutoff man he cant overthrow. He plays all too casually. Stearns fault for expecting Holmes to be an ace, or signing Montas at all. Manea being hurt - it happens. But most of all, he chose Mendoza, and allows this casual attitude. Which is opposite of what Milwaukee was when he was there. It is his fault that is a mismatched puzzle. (No high energy guys in the dugout -Iglesias). And he choose to go for all 1-inning guys in the bullpen. Peace
On the one hand, he could hustle more, for sure. (It's nearly all of them that slow up before first when running out a grounder, which I can't stand. One of the few who doesn't is Nimmo). But give him credit for the stolen bases. He is what he is. Be grateful for what you got.
Juan Soto was signed to be "it". He hasn't been close. He's just another guy.
Another Luis Torrens moment ... top of the 6th ... McNeil on 3rd with one out ... Mullins hits a not too deep fly ball ... McNeil, the tying run, stays put on 3rd. Why? Torrens is up next with 2 out. I don't care what kind of arm the RFer has ... make him show it rather than expecting a hit from Torrens, who in addition to not being able to hit, was probably still hurting some from his catcher's interference play.
Bottom line: The Mets allowed one of their worst, if not THE worst, hitter on the team control their game offense ... and that's ... ☹️
Just another guy? Only 2nd in the league in offensive WAR. I don't like the way he stands at the plate and watches his homers/?doubles off the wall but let's not go overboard.
"2nd in the league in offensive WAR" and hitting .182 with men on base screams "just another guy" ... and that may be giving him more credit than he's earned this year.
Admittedly, that's an awful ba w/risp. To continue the stats fight, I see his obp with risp is .345, not so bad and far better than Lindor's .311. I'm certain you wouldn't say Lindor is "just another guy". Soto's signing and megacontract had a lot to do with his age, timing, the market, etc.,...not his fault that he lucked out.
That's not RISP, it's men on any base. As I said, 'You can quote me his stats all day, he'd love that, but my eyeballs tell me when watching games that he's been just another guy.' There is no "stats fight". Cherry picking his stats doen't prove his worth to the team. As has been said, he's not the 'it' most thought he would be. Have a good evening.
I like that you found the issue. There is no “it” factor for this team. It’s like it’s a machine and just the sum of its parts should equal wins. I think there are guys on teams that spark that “it” factor and none are currently on their roster. This team is cooked. Should they get in I expect a quick exit with nary a whimper.
I don't believe in "it factors". When a team doesn't perform, there's always people who want to give it a psychological spin. Glad to hear Siri is coming along. Too bad he's not a catcher.
I will keep saying it. The Mets keep taking the first pitch and before you know it they're two strikes down in the count. When you're two strikes down you're forced to swing at anything and invariably end up making an out. This is what as known as deja vu all over again.
I share the sentiment about Soto being one of the "it" guys. His contract is just so ridiculous on some level (as a whole, including the length). I was wary about getting him. He can't just be good for that contract. He has to be DAMN good.
But if you do, he has to be part of a general team. Ultimately, that includes starting pitching outside the discount aisle.
The lack of ability to come from behind late AT ALL is a bit ridiculous at this point.
I won't let a single game ruin recent good vibes, though the Phils also manhandled Seattle. I agree that you have to put your foot on the neck of bad teams. Angels helped by winning.
There's definitely a missing x-factor, exactly the opposite of last season. We were better than the sum of our parts then. We're worse now.
The biggest problem is the fact it's on both sides of the game. We don't get consistent starting pitching, only one of our starters go deep, and the bullpen can lurch from effective to a bonfire. We can blink twice and give up a crooked number.
Meanwhile, we can score some runs and put up a crooked number ourselves at any time, but then disappear. We especially struggle against middle relievers, even mediocre ones. Last night, the worst bullpen in the league faced the minimum over the last three innings of a one-run game and finished their business on 26 total pitches.
That's going nappy bye-bye at the exact time we should be on the hunt.
And that's what's missing: we're not stalking pitchers when we're in the batter's box. We're not attacking batters when we're on the bump. It's not laziness or lack of effort. It's a lack of killer instinct.
I think we know it, too. And I think no one knows how to fix it.
Soto was supposed to be that guy. I’m pro Soto but for him an .882 OPS isn’t good enough, especially since a lot of his OBP comes from walks. We have a lineup of .250 hitters or worse. We rank 21st in hits. It’s hard to sustain offense like that.
To me it's the starting rotation which was pretty good though June, and other than Peterson no one is capable of going 5 or 6 innings. I would take my chances with the minor leaguers sprinkled in and hope Senga can put it together. Soto has done what the front office wanted, he has put more asses in the seats, and will eventually put up the numbers expected. He is far from the reason the Mets have not played better.
We are stuck with 14 years of Soto, a very casual player. I was hesitant during the chase, wanting him more so the Mets could finally win a free agent battle, after coming in second in a few. A team leader, a dynamic superstar, he is not. Right now the best hitter on the Mets is an aging Starling Marte. But the biggest problem is the manager Carlos Mendoza. I get not panicking, it is a long season, et al. But it is go time. and he does not seem to realize it. You can rely on guys to play to their baseball cards - this is not strat-o-matic. Hernandez disappointed me last night saying for Mullins, not to steal, to open up a shot for Torrens to hit it through the right side. He tried, hit it right to the second baseman, and we were done. This is a bad chemistry mix, a mediore manager who does not know how to push the right buttons, and a bad job by Stearns.
Nope. Not Stearns fault that Manea and Senga have crapped out. Or Mendoza's. I love Soto. Stop complaining that he's not superman, not Willie Mays. There's not a lot of them out there.
Joel, No disrespect, but Soto can run every time for what he is paid. Lindor can do it playing short, Soto can do it. Set a goal to be a Gold Glove outfielder and near the bottom of fielding ratings and has not met a cutoff man he cant overthrow. He plays all too casually. Stearns fault for expecting Holmes to be an ace, or signing Montas at all. Manea being hurt - it happens. But most of all, he chose Mendoza, and allows this casual attitude. Which is opposite of what Milwaukee was when he was there. It is his fault that is a mismatched puzzle. (No high energy guys in the dugout -Iglesias). And he choose to go for all 1-inning guys in the bullpen. Peace
On the one hand, he could hustle more, for sure. (It's nearly all of them that slow up before first when running out a grounder, which I can't stand. One of the few who doesn't is Nimmo). But give him credit for the stolen bases. He is what he is. Be grateful for what you got.
Juan Soto was signed to be "it". He hasn't been close. He's just another guy.
Another Luis Torrens moment ... top of the 6th ... McNeil on 3rd with one out ... Mullins hits a not too deep fly ball ... McNeil, the tying run, stays put on 3rd. Why? Torrens is up next with 2 out. I don't care what kind of arm the RFer has ... make him show it rather than expecting a hit from Torrens, who in addition to not being able to hit, was probably still hurting some from his catcher's interference play.
Bottom line: The Mets allowed one of their worst, if not THE worst, hitter on the team control their game offense ... and that's ... ☹️
Just another guy? Only 2nd in the league in offensive WAR. I don't like the way he stands at the plate and watches his homers/?doubles off the wall but let's not go overboard.
"2nd in the league in offensive WAR" and hitting .182 with men on base screams "just another guy" ... and that may be giving him more credit than he's earned this year.
Admittedly, that's an awful ba w/risp. To continue the stats fight, I see his obp with risp is .345, not so bad and far better than Lindor's .311. I'm certain you wouldn't say Lindor is "just another guy". Soto's signing and megacontract had a lot to do with his age, timing, the market, etc.,...not his fault that he lucked out.
That's not RISP, it's men on any base. As I said, 'You can quote me his stats all day, he'd love that, but my eyeballs tell me when watching games that he's been just another guy.' There is no "stats fight". Cherry picking his stats doen't prove his worth to the team. As has been said, he's not the 'it' most thought he would be. Have a good evening.
You can quote me his stats all day, he'd love that, but my eyeballs tell me when watching games that he's been just another guy.
I like that you found the issue. There is no “it” factor for this team. It’s like it’s a machine and just the sum of its parts should equal wins. I think there are guys on teams that spark that “it” factor and none are currently on their roster. This team is cooked. Should they get in I expect a quick exit with nary a whimper.
I don't believe in "it factors". When a team doesn't perform, there's always people who want to give it a psychological spin. Glad to hear Siri is coming along. Too bad he's not a catcher.
I will keep saying it. The Mets keep taking the first pitch and before you know it they're two strikes down in the count. When you're two strikes down you're forced to swing at anything and invariably end up making an out. This is what as known as deja vu all over again.
I share the sentiment about Soto being one of the "it" guys. His contract is just so ridiculous on some level (as a whole, including the length). I was wary about getting him. He can't just be good for that contract. He has to be DAMN good.
But if you do, he has to be part of a general team. Ultimately, that includes starting pitching outside the discount aisle.
The lack of ability to come from behind late AT ALL is a bit ridiculous at this point.
I won't let a single game ruin recent good vibes, though the Phils also manhandled Seattle. I agree that you have to put your foot on the neck of bad teams. Angels helped by winning.
There's definitely a missing x-factor, exactly the opposite of last season. We were better than the sum of our parts then. We're worse now.
The biggest problem is the fact it's on both sides of the game. We don't get consistent starting pitching, only one of our starters go deep, and the bullpen can lurch from effective to a bonfire. We can blink twice and give up a crooked number.
Meanwhile, we can score some runs and put up a crooked number ourselves at any time, but then disappear. We especially struggle against middle relievers, even mediocre ones. Last night, the worst bullpen in the league faced the minimum over the last three innings of a one-run game and finished their business on 26 total pitches.
That's going nappy bye-bye at the exact time we should be on the hunt.
And that's what's missing: we're not stalking pitchers when we're in the batter's box. We're not attacking batters when we're on the bump. It's not laziness or lack of effort. It's a lack of killer instinct.
I think we know it, too. And I think no one knows how to fix it.
Soto was supposed to be that guy. I’m pro Soto but for him an .882 OPS isn’t good enough, especially since a lot of his OBP comes from walks. We have a lineup of .250 hitters or worse. We rank 21st in hits. It’s hard to sustain offense like that.