This is heading for the worst-case scenario on both sides. Pete is going to sitting at home without a team as spring training starts, reflecting on a series of bad decisions on his part. For the Mets, they will end up fielding players out of their natural positions and without a power bat to protect Soto, because they played too hard ball. Both sides need to pull their heads out of their behinds.
They didn't fucking play hardball. Alonso is a dick, who can't see that but for three weeks last season he has sucke for the last two. Let Acuna and Mauricio play, and if either can't, see if Baty has figured it out.
This is what's bugging me about the whole thing. Pete turned down seven years and $158 million (which was basically six years at $135 million, but leave that aside for now) for an annual AAV of $22.57 million. He probably could have gotten it bumped to $168 million to round off the AAV to a neat $24 million.
Compared to Freeman's production, that's a really fair deal. But after taking a pass on it and gambling on having a big year -- and not only missing, but sliding for the third year in a row -- now Pete's camp is talking Miggy Cabrera money? Seriously?
The Mets offer to Alonso was as insulting as him asking for $31 million a year. They should have offered upwards of $80 million which would have placed him in Freddie Freeman salary range. Why would Pete sign for not much over the qualifying offer? And as noted on this and other sites, and something I have questioned for months, what makes everyone think Vientos can play first base? That position needs a much better fielder than someone who can no longer play their regular position and are dumped over there. While Pete was not a great fielder, he was certainly at least average and as someone who watches more than 100 games a year, if not for his ability to scoop throws out of the dirt nearly every game, thereby saving runs and errors by his infielders, the Mets would’ve won 10 less games than they did. The fans have been jerked around thinking bringing back Pete was at least possible. Bye Bye Polar Bear. They will certainly miss his bat. Hope he hits 45 HRs somewhere else to show Stearns that he missed the boat on this one.
Inpart I agree with your assessment. Moving Vientos is dangerous not only to the team defense but his development as a player. The Mets have a long history of playing guys out of position and in my opinion it hampers their growth. I don't put much value on Pete as many fans do. I believe three years up to 90 million with only team options is fair. Now, I can't see Stern, who is very savvy, not having a legitimate backup plan (not rookies at 3rd and Vientos at 1st) set for Pete's departure. Either Pete will return on a compromised offer or Mets sign/trade for a true 1st baseman.
Sea una táctica del miedo o no, y con gran dolor en el corazón, habría que ir olvidándose de Pete y centrar los esfuerzos en completar una plantilla que aún tiene huecos por cubrir.
I would love to have Pete back but I get what the Mets are doing. And unfortunately Pete believes his value is higher than it really is. He's a home run hitter, but what else does he provide? He doesn't hit for average, and his numbers have been slipping over the last few years. This became an issue this season when he constantly came up empty in clutch spots. Sure he turned it around during the postseason, but that is a very small sample size. Also his defense is average to below average and he has absolutely no speed. So you are basically paying for a home run hitter, which we would love to have on the team, but at a reasonable price.
Now, should the Mets consider the fact that he is a homegrown player beloved by fans and in the clubhouse? Yes I would factor that into the offer and try to meet somewhere in the middle. 68-70 seems a bit low to me. I would offer somewhere around 75 -80 which I think is more than fair. Would Pete take that, who knows. But I can understand why he might feel disrespected by the offer that is out there. It remains to be seen if there is another team that gets anywhere near 3/90. If not, maybe he comes back to the Mets offer or they can up it a bit.
If true there was a deal offered with opt outs at 3 years for 90 million, the current offer seems unreasonable. If you want the player give a little, and if the Mets don't want him stop the games and move on to another plan. It is not fair to destroy the career of a guy who has given you good years. His mistake was changing agents with pie in the sky expectations
This is heading for the worst-case scenario on both sides. Pete is going to sitting at home without a team as spring training starts, reflecting on a series of bad decisions on his part. For the Mets, they will end up fielding players out of their natural positions and without a power bat to protect Soto, because they played too hard ball. Both sides need to pull their heads out of their behinds.
They didn't fucking play hardball. Alonso is a dick, who can't see that but for three weeks last season he has sucke for the last two. Let Acuna and Mauricio play, and if either can't, see if Baty has figured it out.
This is what's bugging me about the whole thing. Pete turned down seven years and $158 million (which was basically six years at $135 million, but leave that aside for now) for an annual AAV of $22.57 million. He probably could have gotten it bumped to $168 million to round off the AAV to a neat $24 million.
Compared to Freeman's production, that's a really fair deal. But after taking a pass on it and gambling on having a big year -- and not only missing, but sliding for the third year in a row -- now Pete's camp is talking Miggy Cabrera money? Seriously?
I just don't get the negotiating strategy here.
The Mets offer to Alonso was as insulting as him asking for $31 million a year. They should have offered upwards of $80 million which would have placed him in Freddie Freeman salary range. Why would Pete sign for not much over the qualifying offer? And as noted on this and other sites, and something I have questioned for months, what makes everyone think Vientos can play first base? That position needs a much better fielder than someone who can no longer play their regular position and are dumped over there. While Pete was not a great fielder, he was certainly at least average and as someone who watches more than 100 games a year, if not for his ability to scoop throws out of the dirt nearly every game, thereby saving runs and errors by his infielders, the Mets would’ve won 10 less games than they did. The fans have been jerked around thinking bringing back Pete was at least possible. Bye Bye Polar Bear. They will certainly miss his bat. Hope he hits 45 HRs somewhere else to show Stearns that he missed the boat on this one.
Except Freddie Freeman is way better so no the Mets should not do that.
Inpart I agree with your assessment. Moving Vientos is dangerous not only to the team defense but his development as a player. The Mets have a long history of playing guys out of position and in my opinion it hampers their growth. I don't put much value on Pete as many fans do. I believe three years up to 90 million with only team options is fair. Now, I can't see Stern, who is very savvy, not having a legitimate backup plan (not rookies at 3rd and Vientos at 1st) set for Pete's departure. Either Pete will return on a compromised offer or Mets sign/trade for a true 1st baseman.
They did offer more than $80 million and he turned it down. And if you think he saved 20 games defensively, you're on crack. Fuck Pete and Boras.
*10 games*
I think you're overplaying your hand. He's good at scooping but range is limited. There's no denying he's on a downward trend.
Sea una táctica del miedo o no, y con gran dolor en el corazón, habría que ir olvidándose de Pete y centrar los esfuerzos en completar una plantilla que aún tiene huecos por cubrir.
I would love to have Pete back but I get what the Mets are doing. And unfortunately Pete believes his value is higher than it really is. He's a home run hitter, but what else does he provide? He doesn't hit for average, and his numbers have been slipping over the last few years. This became an issue this season when he constantly came up empty in clutch spots. Sure he turned it around during the postseason, but that is a very small sample size. Also his defense is average to below average and he has absolutely no speed. So you are basically paying for a home run hitter, which we would love to have on the team, but at a reasonable price.
Now, should the Mets consider the fact that he is a homegrown player beloved by fans and in the clubhouse? Yes I would factor that into the offer and try to meet somewhere in the middle. 68-70 seems a bit low to me. I would offer somewhere around 75 -80 which I think is more than fair. Would Pete take that, who knows. But I can understand why he might feel disrespected by the offer that is out there. It remains to be seen if there is another team that gets anywhere near 3/90. If not, maybe he comes back to the Mets offer or they can up it a bit.
If true there was a deal offered with opt outs at 3 years for 90 million, the current offer seems unreasonable. If you want the player give a little, and if the Mets don't want him stop the games and move on to another plan. It is not fair to destroy the career of a guy who has given you good years. His mistake was changing agents with pie in the sky expectations