The fat lady is on the stage. We are going to be talking about this collapse for years too. The funny thing is this should be expected. This team has been terrible for months now. Their saving grace is they built that 21 games over .500 early in the season to just about pissing it all away. I’m going to be shocked if this team makes the playoffs. If they finish over .500 is seriously in doubt right now. It’s not even losing that hurts. They are getting blown out daily now. This will go down as one of the worst seasons in team history. Don’t look at the fangraphs playoff percentage. It’s false hope. This team is going nowhere.
Pretty harsh assessment from Andrew but certainly warranted. I'm no Nostramus but every pre-season on the last day of Spring Training I enter my prediction for the season - not based on the ST record. This March, I entered 85-77. I didn't see enough progress on the lineup even with Soto and the pitching was suspect.
This year I also took a shot at individual performance - with less accuracy as it turned out.
I had regression from Lindor and Alonso. Totally missed on Pete but arguably right with Lindor who was maddenly streaky this season.
I had Alvarez losing his starting job - close, but Torrens is arguably at least equal overall, imo.
I had Soto as the club MVP. Bingo.
I had Senga flopping. Bingo again
I had Diaz losing the closer slot - total miss there.
Finally, I had Baty "stepping up". So-so. He did enough to keep his MLB card but not much more.
The cited playoff odds remain over 80%. I think they figure they can limp to the playoffs and once there, go on a run like last year. The Reds have to make up two games, the Giants three (given the tiebreaker), and the Diamondbacks even more. Two games is quite possible in seventeen or so games. OTOH, who trusts any of those teams not to falter in that span of time?
Until the Mets fall out of the playoffs in the standings, at the very least, I find it hard to expect them not to make it. The team is not pleasant to watch. But they are benefiting from flawed competition. They have been bad for a while now. They STILL have a playoff spot.
It feels familiar -- they are good enough to make it (though maybe they just miss it), but not good enough to expect them to go far. IF everything goes their way, they might even get to the World Series. Where they fall quickly.
A tough love position would be to hope they don't make it. Perhaps that will prompt a shift in the philosophy of relying on garage sale starting rotation prices.
The team starts 45-24. 6 of the 13 pitchers get hurt. Montas & Manaea then get activated and both are completely ineffective. A decent bullpen now devastated by injuries and lack of length out of the starting pitching gets overworked. Team goes 17-24 leading up to the trade deadline. GM trades 8 controllable prospects for 3 relievers that are all 1 inning guys, and are mostly ineffective but doesn’t add any starters. Team then goes 2-10 before the GM finally calls up help from the minors.
Starters almost never pitch 5 innings. and with no long men in the bullpen manager is forced to use 3-4 bullpen arms every single day. None of this has anything to do with heart or effort.
Totally and respectively disagree. While everything you said is correct, you have to look beyond the x's and o's and the boxscore. Look at this stretch and it is clear there is no heart or effort. There is no pulse too. They've been competitive. Can you honestly tell me they've played with heart and and effort this series alone? If you say yes, you are either not being truthful or not looking at the whole performance. Yes, again, all the factors you mentioned are a huge reason why they are struggling. But it is also true that they've played with no heart, no urgency and the effort can be questioned too. I will die on that hill
I’ve gotten used to the poor pitching except when the rookies pitch but the offense frustrates me more. Lindor is 0-15 in the last 4 games. Our offense cannot function when he’s not hitting. That shouldn’t be the case. And I can’t watch Marte anymore.
The heart and soul of the Mets came to the fore again last night as a gritty comeback effort fell just short, as it did the night before. 'It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog', I think Yogi Berra once said.
Is this where we start questioning the Jose Igelsia non move?
The fat lady is on the stage. We are going to be talking about this collapse for years too. The funny thing is this should be expected. This team has been terrible for months now. Their saving grace is they built that 21 games over .500 early in the season to just about pissing it all away. I’m going to be shocked if this team makes the playoffs. If they finish over .500 is seriously in doubt right now. It’s not even losing that hurts. They are getting blown out daily now. This will go down as one of the worst seasons in team history. Don’t look at the fangraphs playoff percentage. It’s false hope. This team is going nowhere.
Pretty harsh assessment from Andrew but certainly warranted. I'm no Nostramus but every pre-season on the last day of Spring Training I enter my prediction for the season - not based on the ST record. This March, I entered 85-77. I didn't see enough progress on the lineup even with Soto and the pitching was suspect.
This year I also took a shot at individual performance - with less accuracy as it turned out.
I had regression from Lindor and Alonso. Totally missed on Pete but arguably right with Lindor who was maddenly streaky this season.
I had Alvarez losing his starting job - close, but Torrens is arguably at least equal overall, imo.
I had Soto as the club MVP. Bingo.
I had Senga flopping. Bingo again
I had Diaz losing the closer slot - total miss there.
Finally, I had Baty "stepping up". So-so. He did enough to keep his MLB card but not much more.
As for the Mets -
Wait until next year!
The cited playoff odds remain over 80%. I think they figure they can limp to the playoffs and once there, go on a run like last year. The Reds have to make up two games, the Giants three (given the tiebreaker), and the Diamondbacks even more. Two games is quite possible in seventeen or so games. OTOH, who trusts any of those teams not to falter in that span of time?
Until the Mets fall out of the playoffs in the standings, at the very least, I find it hard to expect them not to make it. The team is not pleasant to watch. But they are benefiting from flawed competition. They have been bad for a while now. They STILL have a playoff spot.
It feels familiar -- they are good enough to make it (though maybe they just miss it), but not good enough to expect them to go far. IF everything goes their way, they might even get to the World Series. Where they fall quickly.
A tough love position would be to hope they don't make it. Perhaps that will prompt a shift in the philosophy of relying on garage sale starting rotation prices.
The team starts 45-24. 6 of the 13 pitchers get hurt. Montas & Manaea then get activated and both are completely ineffective. A decent bullpen now devastated by injuries and lack of length out of the starting pitching gets overworked. Team goes 17-24 leading up to the trade deadline. GM trades 8 controllable prospects for 3 relievers that are all 1 inning guys, and are mostly ineffective but doesn’t add any starters. Team then goes 2-10 before the GM finally calls up help from the minors.
Starters almost never pitch 5 innings. and with no long men in the bullpen manager is forced to use 3-4 bullpen arms every single day. None of this has anything to do with heart or effort.
Totally and respectively disagree. While everything you said is correct, you have to look beyond the x's and o's and the boxscore. Look at this stretch and it is clear there is no heart or effort. There is no pulse too. They've been competitive. Can you honestly tell me they've played with heart and and effort this series alone? If you say yes, you are either not being truthful or not looking at the whole performance. Yes, again, all the factors you mentioned are a huge reason why they are struggling. But it is also true that they've played with no heart, no urgency and the effort can be questioned too. I will die on that hill
PATHETIC!!
I’ve gotten used to the poor pitching except when the rookies pitch but the offense frustrates me more. Lindor is 0-15 in the last 4 games. Our offense cannot function when he’s not hitting. That shouldn’t be the case. And I can’t watch Marte anymore.
Nailed it. This is so disappointing.
New York Mets
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Philadelphia Phillies
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 3 9 0
2 0 0 0 2 4 1 2 - 11 14 0
The heart and soul of the Mets came to the fore again last night as a gritty comeback effort fell just short, as it did the night before. 'It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog', I think Yogi Berra once said.