If there was ever a team that looked like they couldn't wait to pack up and head home, to the links, to any place except a baseball diamond, they were in Miami last night. 1-8 with RISP in the first 3 innings should have sent us all to Netflix. Miami desperately tries to get us in the game in the 8th with two BBs and an error, but they couldn't wake this team from its collective coma. We'll see some of these guys in Port St Lucie in the spring, but Stearns and Cohen know they can't parade the same product out again next year. They can't keep pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining. Oh well, I wish I could say it's been fun, but it's been exhausting.
Game, Set, Match. The Marlins know exactly what they are doing and have the drive and energy to kill this season and finally put us Mets fans out of our misery. The Reds play early so this game may in fact be meaningless by the time the first pitch is thrown.
I agree, James. I don't think the Marlins, who were red hot not that long ago, are in any mood to make life easier for the Mets. Although the Reds play tonight after the Mets but I think there is a strong chance they start their game knowing all they have to do is win to finish off the Mets
There's time to discuss trades/acquisitions but aren't some Mets interested in recruiting Alcantra to Mets? He has made quite a comeback after rocky start and has pitched well the last 3 months. He'd look good in a Mets uni.
We will no doubt look at trades and free agent possibilities once the season is done, which could be very soon, but, yeah, there is no doubt that they need a stud at the front end of that rotation. They also need to explore all possible avenues, and maybe Alcantara would be a good fit. I don't think he'd be any worse than what they've had this year, that's for sure
The fuck is this moron talking about? Even if Cincy wins this afternoon (no guarantee), they are still in it. Again, this team is in this situation due a poorly designed philosophy that thinks it can make any pitcher better, instead of going out and getting legit starting pitching. Had they done that, yes, their defensive flaws might still be there...but on a 90+ win team, marching towards at least a home series. The beauty of baseball is that the big data allows us to accurately portray the season. Second worst starting pitching in terms of innings in baseball since June. An unsustainable practice in a competitive league.
We can disagree and debate but let's refrain from name-calling and being rude, please. We're all pissed off but this should be a safe space for all Mets fans within reason!
Last year's "success" with Severino and Manea was the worst thing that could have happened. It gave the pitching lab false confidence that they can transform any pitcher. Like you said this staff was not going sustain the two months of success.
The playoff success was mainly because of terrific pitching:
Playoff Game 1 Severino/Butto 8 innings, 3 ER.
Game 2 Manaea 5 innings, 2 ER.
Game 3 Quintana 6 innings, 0 ER.
Game 4 Senga/Peterson 5 innings, 1 ER.
Game 5 Severino 6 innings, 3 ER.
Game 6 Manaea 7 innings, 1 ER.
Game 7 Quintana 5 innings, 1 ER.
Yet, in the off-season David Stearns chose not to bring back Severino or Quintana after they proved they could pitch deep into pressure-filled games. He also chose not to pursue any of the proven top of the rotation free agent starters (Fried, Snell, Eovaldi) and showed no interest in any of the next tier group of free agent starters:
Zero chance. But who knows? TWO games left, 18 innings. I bet people in Los Angeles last year after Game 3 against San Diego were feeling the same way having to go to BULLPEN games with their season on the brink. This team can still find a way through. Obviously, not a great scenario, but perhaps it's time for them to play the "nobody believes in us" card because, well, nobody does.
It won't be meaningless. If the Reds win, the Mets are not eliminated today unless the Mets also lose. Which very well might happen & put the fans out of their misery. Considering how this season is going, who would be surprised if it turns on Sunday?
This team has been 1 of the worst in MLB since mid June so it’s not surprising we probably won’t make the playoffs. The pitching obviously let us down this year. The offense has been frustrating for sure but the pitching is why we’re here now.
I’m less doom and gloom than many in the comments though. We have a top farm system for the first time I can remember. That means some prospects can help us next year like Benge and maybe Jett and some can be traded to bring in proven major leaguers.
My biggest question about the off-season is about Stearn's ideology. Will he admit that his ideas about reclamation project pitchers does not work? Will he be able to change course? My concern is that if the Mets somehow do make the playoffs, that Stearns will just double down. In addition to the players, every coach needs to be examined. Mendoza especially needs to be looked at. I get that he can't control a player not playing up to expectations, but he absolutely has accountability in the lackadaisical play that we watched for most of the season. Not to mention his questionable bullpen management. Stearns and Co also needs to look at why so many rookies spent most of the season bouncing back and forth between Syracuse and Queens. They went to AAA and raked only to falter again once called up. I get that will happen with some players, but it was happening with such regularity, that to me indicates a huge red flag.
I'm trying to remain optimistic about next year, but I've lost a lot of confidence in Stearns.
Not about anyone else, but I have a guarded optimism for nest year. But the most troubling issue, for me, is the lack of urgency/life/intensity/etc this team has. Not sure if the blame is on Mendoza or the players themselves. I guess I see (and I could be off) is a bunch of individuals and not a team playing.
The Mets were favored before the series began. Neither team was expected to sweep. So why should yesterday's results change anything? Vibes. A reminder of what happened the last time these two teams played each other. And the Brewers have nothing much to play for.
The thing is that this team and the Reds keep on doing just enough so that this thing is not over. So we just might be scoreboard watching on Sunday.
It may just be the slow rage that built while watching this team this year, but I see a trainwreck of a franchise here.
Was it the broken pitching staff, the Little League defense, or the maddenly streaky offense? Or was it all three, plus the ridiculously flawed roster and the unprepared, uninspired, and poorly motivated collection of parts that didn't fit together?
It's all of that.
If I'm Cohen, I'm putting out feelers lest the frustration of embarking on yet another rebuild. Cohen did what the fans wanted: signed the stars, hired the alleged FO genius, and took the franchise out of the poor house but the result is a $300+ M, .500 team that was utterly schooled last night by the Miami Marlins - an astonishing 4 games behind in the loss column.
End it, back up the truck, hang out the fire sale sign and settle in for the rebuild.
Unless Homes finds lightening in that arm, and the Mets stop leaving men on base in scoring position, and they play hop scotch with the Reds, it will be wait until next year!
Spot on, Andrew. It's not so much the losing (it happens), but the way we lost last night. We just did not play very good baseball. Too many mental lapses, bad fundamentals, poor decisions, slow reactions — this team just was not on its toes. Incredibly disappointing.
Now on Alonso offense Really mad as Michael Baron bashed Vientos on Twitter for striking out with bases loaded and 2 outs but said nothinng when Alonso struck out just prior with 1 out,
But Baron never bashes hos Favorite Mets. I pointed out how Alonso hasnt come through so often in September slone. Just saying, Alonso had an OPS over 900 in September. But everyone knows, it's not how the whole months go, its individual games and at bats.
And the last time Baron mentioned Alonso was after Alonso 1st inning double, where Baron gloated the Mets needed to sign Al8nso.
Yesterday Alonso Struck out 2 times with 4 Runners on Base, that could have been 6 Runs with 2 Homers. Or even 1 Homer would have given the Mets a big lead or catch the Mets up to just 1 run behind.
Like Nimmo hitting a 3 run homer the other day. When all were so happy with Alverez hitting a homer in a tie game
Tras la serie de 8 derrotas, en el peor momento de la temporada, superé mi etapa de ira y desilusión. Desde entonces estoy en la etapa de aceptación, a la espera de un milagro que no creo que se vaya a producir. Con un récord rondando el 50% no merecemos estar en postemporada (tampoco los Reds).
Sorry Guys but this is TOO BIG for MENDOZA. In Paper, the METS are a much better Team than Cincinnati BUT they have a REAL HIGH IQ MANAGER. That is the real deal. Mendoza ONCE AGAIN took Sproat out in a strong game . The kid was fighting and doing his part to keep the game ALIVE . MENDOZA took him in a 3-2 game , 2 Outs and one man on base that hit a very weak hit. MENDOZA demonstrates LACK OF IQ and non confidence and that is EXACTLY what he has created to the Team. TOO MANY examples of his lack of Character. All those stupid mental issues ? Do not worry , MENDOZA will never ever held any player accountable .
Mets is a VERY STRONG TEAM with a VERY WEAK LOW IQ MANAGER
If there was ever a team that looked like they couldn't wait to pack up and head home, to the links, to any place except a baseball diamond, they were in Miami last night. 1-8 with RISP in the first 3 innings should have sent us all to Netflix. Miami desperately tries to get us in the game in the 8th with two BBs and an error, but they couldn't wake this team from its collective coma. We'll see some of these guys in Port St Lucie in the spring, but Stearns and Cohen know they can't parade the same product out again next year. They can't keep pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining. Oh well, I wish I could say it's been fun, but it's been exhausting.
Game, Set, Match. The Marlins know exactly what they are doing and have the drive and energy to kill this season and finally put us Mets fans out of our misery. The Reds play early so this game may in fact be meaningless by the time the first pitch is thrown.
I agree, James. I don't think the Marlins, who were red hot not that long ago, are in any mood to make life easier for the Mets. Although the Reds play tonight after the Mets but I think there is a strong chance they start their game knowing all they have to do is win to finish off the Mets
There's time to discuss trades/acquisitions but aren't some Mets interested in recruiting Alcantra to Mets? He has made quite a comeback after rocky start and has pitched well the last 3 months. He'd look good in a Mets uni.
We will no doubt look at trades and free agent possibilities once the season is done, which could be very soon, but, yeah, there is no doubt that they need a stud at the front end of that rotation. They also need to explore all possible avenues, and maybe Alcantara would be a good fit. I don't think he'd be any worse than what they've had this year, that's for sure
I was hoping for Alcantara at the deadline, but I don't know if they even made a play for him.
Rumor was we did but the price was too high. Same with Zac Gallen. Both Miami and the Diamondbacks wanted the farm.
"recruiting"? If you mean as a free agent, he's not. He's under team control until 2028 ... and damn cheap ... and won't come cheap in a trade
The fuck is this moron talking about? Even if Cincy wins this afternoon (no guarantee), they are still in it. Again, this team is in this situation due a poorly designed philosophy that thinks it can make any pitcher better, instead of going out and getting legit starting pitching. Had they done that, yes, their defensive flaws might still be there...but on a 90+ win team, marching towards at least a home series. The beauty of baseball is that the big data allows us to accurately portray the season. Second worst starting pitching in terms of innings in baseball since June. An unsustainable practice in a competitive league.
We can disagree and debate but let's refrain from name-calling and being rude, please. We're all pissed off but this should be a safe space for all Mets fans within reason!
Last year's "success" with Severino and Manea was the worst thing that could have happened. It gave the pitching lab false confidence that they can transform any pitcher. Like you said this staff was not going sustain the two months of success.
The 2024 Mets finished in 3rd place.
The playoff success was mainly because of terrific pitching:
Playoff Game 1 Severino/Butto 8 innings, 3 ER.
Game 2 Manaea 5 innings, 2 ER.
Game 3 Quintana 6 innings, 0 ER.
Game 4 Senga/Peterson 5 innings, 1 ER.
Game 5 Severino 6 innings, 3 ER.
Game 6 Manaea 7 innings, 1 ER.
Game 7 Quintana 5 innings, 1 ER.
Yet, in the off-season David Stearns chose not to bring back Severino or Quintana after they proved they could pitch deep into pressure-filled games. He also chose not to pursue any of the proven top of the rotation free agent starters (Fried, Snell, Eovaldi) and showed no interest in any of the next tier group of free agent starters:
Yusei Kikuchi - 178 IP, 3.99 ERA
Nick Pivetta - 181 IP, 2.87 ERA
Michael Boyd - 179 IP, 3.21 ERA
Colin Rea - 159 IP, 3.95 ERA
He opted instead to roll the dice on -
Frankie Montas, Griffin Canning & Clay Holmes.
Zero chance. But who knows? TWO games left, 18 innings. I bet people in Los Angeles last year after Game 3 against San Diego were feeling the same way having to go to BULLPEN games with their season on the brink. This team can still find a way through. Obviously, not a great scenario, but perhaps it's time for them to play the "nobody believes in us" card because, well, nobody does.
Btw, nice to see what an Ace looked like.
It won't be meaningless. If the Reds win, the Mets are not eliminated today unless the Mets also lose. Which very well might happen & put the fans out of their misery. Considering how this season is going, who would be surprised if it turns on Sunday?
BRUTAL.
Terrible pitching all season (starters can't get out of the 5th inning)
Terrible situational hitting (how many runners in scoring position stranded)
Terrible defense (lack of focus and discipline)
Other than Pitching, Hitting and Defense - all is well.
Yet, I am a Mets fan for life.
This team has been 1 of the worst in MLB since mid June so it’s not surprising we probably won’t make the playoffs. The pitching obviously let us down this year. The offense has been frustrating for sure but the pitching is why we’re here now.
I’m less doom and gloom than many in the comments though. We have a top farm system for the first time I can remember. That means some prospects can help us next year like Benge and maybe Jett and some can be traded to bring in proven major leaguers.
My biggest question about the off-season is about Stearn's ideology. Will he admit that his ideas about reclamation project pitchers does not work? Will he be able to change course? My concern is that if the Mets somehow do make the playoffs, that Stearns will just double down. In addition to the players, every coach needs to be examined. Mendoza especially needs to be looked at. I get that he can't control a player not playing up to expectations, but he absolutely has accountability in the lackadaisical play that we watched for most of the season. Not to mention his questionable bullpen management. Stearns and Co also needs to look at why so many rookies spent most of the season bouncing back and forth between Syracuse and Queens. They went to AAA and raked only to falter again once called up. I get that will happen with some players, but it was happening with such regularity, that to me indicates a huge red flag.
I'm trying to remain optimistic about next year, but I've lost a lot of confidence in Stearns.
Not about anyone else, but I have a guarded optimism for nest year. But the most troubling issue, for me, is the lack of urgency/life/intensity/etc this team has. Not sure if the blame is on Mendoza or the players themselves. I guess I see (and I could be off) is a bunch of individuals and not a team playing.
Ah. The odds are finally against the Mets.
The Mets were favored before the series began. Neither team was expected to sweep. So why should yesterday's results change anything? Vibes. A reminder of what happened the last time these two teams played each other. And the Brewers have nothing much to play for.
The thing is that this team and the Reds keep on doing just enough so that this thing is not over. So we just might be scoreboard watching on Sunday.
It may just be the slow rage that built while watching this team this year, but I see a trainwreck of a franchise here.
Was it the broken pitching staff, the Little League defense, or the maddenly streaky offense? Or was it all three, plus the ridiculously flawed roster and the unprepared, uninspired, and poorly motivated collection of parts that didn't fit together?
It's all of that.
If I'm Cohen, I'm putting out feelers lest the frustration of embarking on yet another rebuild. Cohen did what the fans wanted: signed the stars, hired the alleged FO genius, and took the franchise out of the poor house but the result is a $300+ M, .500 team that was utterly schooled last night by the Miami Marlins - an astonishing 4 games behind in the loss column.
End it, back up the truck, hang out the fire sale sign and settle in for the rebuild.
Unless Homes finds lightening in that arm, and the Mets stop leaving men on base in scoring position, and they play hop scotch with the Reds, it will be wait until next year!
Spot on, Andrew. It's not so much the losing (it happens), but the way we lost last night. We just did not play very good baseball. Too many mental lapses, bad fundamentals, poor decisions, slow reactions — this team just was not on its toes. Incredibly disappointing.
Now on Alonso offense Really mad as Michael Baron bashed Vientos on Twitter for striking out with bases loaded and 2 outs but said nothinng when Alonso struck out just prior with 1 out,
But Baron never bashes hos Favorite Mets. I pointed out how Alonso hasnt come through so often in September slone. Just saying, Alonso had an OPS over 900 in September. But everyone knows, it's not how the whole months go, its individual games and at bats.
And the last time Baron mentioned Alonso was after Alonso 1st inning double, where Baron gloated the Mets needed to sign Al8nso.
Yesterday Alonso Struck out 2 times with 4 Runners on Base, that could have been 6 Runs with 2 Homers. Or even 1 Homer would have given the Mets a big lead or catch the Mets up to just 1 run behind.
Like Nimmo hitting a 3 run homer the other day. When all were so happy with Alverez hitting a homer in a tie game
Something that Alonso couldnt do
Are you gonna do this every day?
We have to talk about ALONSO. Fumbled 2 balls per the article which would have ended the inning at 2-2 instead of being down 6-2.
Alonso makes enough mistakes at first base, On bad catches or bad throws, that he really should be a Full Time DH
And Senga and the Mets might have had s much different year in 2025.
Of Alonso was never at 1st Base
Tras la serie de 8 derrotas, en el peor momento de la temporada, superé mi etapa de ira y desilusión. Desde entonces estoy en la etapa de aceptación, a la espera de un milagro que no creo que se vaya a producir. Con un récord rondando el 50% no merecemos estar en postemporada (tampoco los Reds).
Sorry Guys but this is TOO BIG for MENDOZA. In Paper, the METS are a much better Team than Cincinnati BUT they have a REAL HIGH IQ MANAGER. That is the real deal. Mendoza ONCE AGAIN took Sproat out in a strong game . The kid was fighting and doing his part to keep the game ALIVE . MENDOZA took him in a 3-2 game , 2 Outs and one man on base that hit a very weak hit. MENDOZA demonstrates LACK OF IQ and non confidence and that is EXACTLY what he has created to the Team. TOO MANY examples of his lack of Character. All those stupid mental issues ? Do not worry , MENDOZA will never ever held any player accountable .
Mets is a VERY STRONG TEAM with a VERY WEAK LOW IQ MANAGER