"what they can be blamed for is not creating an attractive destination for free agents and not being prepared to absorb losing this race" - words of wisdom
Pete @ $155 mil for 5 years looks pretty good right now. I think the very smart Steve Cohen got hoodwinked by David Stearns. I think Cohen bought into a Stearns "plan" that was no plan at all. I can't see any semblance of a plan this offseason and if you think I'm wrong - point me in the right direction. "run prevention" was a scam from day one - that only works with a plus, plus pitching staff. Nimmo was traded in November. Who's his replacement in mid January? The coaching staff is gone and yet the manager remains - a mystery with no answers. Juan Soto may end up being on the Mike Trout track. How did the happiest OMG team in MLB turn into this hot steaming mess. It's not over yet but I can't think of a worse Mets off season than this one.
Crash and burn. Mr. Stearns has authored a disastrous off-season. He let 125 rbi drive 4 hours down 95 to Baltimore. A real masterstroke! $155M for 5 years of Alonso looks cheap at this point. Diaz blundered away. Decent left fielder traded away with yawning hole where Nimmo used to be. A year of Soto and Lindor in their primes will be wasted. A starting pitching staff that collapsed last year hasn't been improved, unless having McLean for the whole year is considered. I hope they don't waste time and money on mediocrities like Bader or Austin Hays or Luis Robert to band-aid the outfield. Call it a rebuild and let the kids play. Find out what Benge and Jett Williams have in their holster. Play Acuna and Mauricio (who looks overmatched most of the time) enough to find out what they have. The icing on the cake is that Stearns made "run prevention" his favorite silly euphemism and we're looking at a first baseman who's never played the position! Good luck. We're looking at 75-80 wins.
The Mets had the better offer. No deferrals. LA is the destination and I’m ready to bet money Skubal winds up there in FA. The Mets are not the destination they believe they are and were used in these negotiations. If there is any saving grace here is the Mets should play the kids now and bring up AA pitching faster than they normally would to see what we have. Not for nothing but LA is aging quickly. The big names are north of their 30’s+ now and this won’t last forever. The Mets need to just keep winning to become the destination FA will finally want to come. Tucker also is injury proned. It would have been great to get him but I almost think they dodged a bullet with this guy. Sometimes things happen for a reason and I have to think this way right now.
I think you're salving yourself some. I wouldn't say we had the better offer and I wouldn't say Tucker is injury prone. Sure hope you're right about LA aging. Between the Mets' disastrous offseason and the Rangers' catastrophe, not a good time to be a fan.
I don't know that we could have put a better deal on the table or should have tried. That's a HUGE amount of money for a B+ player. It's a huge amount of money for an A+ player.
Don't get me wrong, Tucker checks a lot of boxes for us. But at some point, the price is simply too high. That cash can be deployed elsewhere. And after burning up so much money on Verlander and Scherzer without anything to show for it, the last thing we need to do is repeat the mistake.
So, I'm sorry we didn't get him, but I'm not sorry we lost him. Let's get with a more sustainable model and keep the pipeline flowing and be in the hunt every year.
And not for nothing, but we don't know what the system is going to look like under the next CBA. It's hard to imagine the small-to-mids not insisting on some kind of hard cap. It's one thing for the Dodgers to go for it now with their aging core; it's their last chance with this group.
It's quite another for us. Our superstar centerpiece is just entering his age 27 season. Let's be patient, let's be smart, and let's make the right moves.
The Mets will probably get some decent starter on a short deal and basically play for the future while having a team that (if things go right) could get them to the playoffs (all those wild cards) but not too far. But the future is bright! I'm sure it is this time!
I have been patient with Sterns and his plan. Tucker played the Mets for a better offer, I never really felt Pete wanted to stay and took the first best offer, Nimmo was aging but was still solid, and as for Edwin, he simply wanted a ring and didn't see it happening in NY (I also suspect he didn't like Mendoza). So with all that happening in November, I can't defend or understand why Sterns didn't jump on filling the roster needs quickly. Jump on the players in FA early and hard. We pretty much knew what the market was for any FA, so why wait for shadow games? Show early enthusiastic interest and sign. Sterns waited til late January to be a player and now its too late. Better throw the kitchen sink and a blank check to Bellinger and make so good trades before the fan base thins out.
I like the bat, a LOT. He's not a slugger per se, but he's a consistent gap hitter who tallies a lot of doubles (and I love me them doubles).
But I don't get where Bo fits in with run prevention. He's certainly a downgrade from Baty at third. Good glove, but he doesn't have the arm to be a plus defender there.
Do we try hiding him in left field? It's the easiest place to do it. And I'd rather move him than move Baty out there.
Is there another deal in the works? Is the Baty move off the team entirely and somewhere else as part of a package for pitching? (Hello, Milwaukee.) Is Swaggy the guy packing his bags? Or are we really running with Bichette, Lindor, Semien and Polanco around the horn?
Look at the bright side: the Dodgers will likely have to remove somone to make room for Tucker - maybe we can get THAT guy, a Dodgers leftover. Hopefully, he's an OFer.
"what they can be blamed for is not creating an attractive destination for free agents and not being prepared to absorb losing this race" - words of wisdom
Pete @ $155 mil for 5 years looks pretty good right now. I think the very smart Steve Cohen got hoodwinked by David Stearns. I think Cohen bought into a Stearns "plan" that was no plan at all. I can't see any semblance of a plan this offseason and if you think I'm wrong - point me in the right direction. "run prevention" was a scam from day one - that only works with a plus, plus pitching staff. Nimmo was traded in November. Who's his replacement in mid January? The coaching staff is gone and yet the manager remains - a mystery with no answers. Juan Soto may end up being on the Mike Trout track. How did the happiest OMG team in MLB turn into this hot steaming mess. It's not over yet but I can't think of a worse Mets off season than this one.
100% agreed with you.
Crash and burn. Mr. Stearns has authored a disastrous off-season. He let 125 rbi drive 4 hours down 95 to Baltimore. A real masterstroke! $155M for 5 years of Alonso looks cheap at this point. Diaz blundered away. Decent left fielder traded away with yawning hole where Nimmo used to be. A year of Soto and Lindor in their primes will be wasted. A starting pitching staff that collapsed last year hasn't been improved, unless having McLean for the whole year is considered. I hope they don't waste time and money on mediocrities like Bader or Austin Hays or Luis Robert to band-aid the outfield. Call it a rebuild and let the kids play. Find out what Benge and Jett Williams have in their holster. Play Acuna and Mauricio (who looks overmatched most of the time) enough to find out what they have. The icing on the cake is that Stearns made "run prevention" his favorite silly euphemism and we're looking at a first baseman who's never played the position! Good luck. We're looking at 75-80 wins.
You may be a cockeyed optimist
The Mets had the better offer. No deferrals. LA is the destination and I’m ready to bet money Skubal winds up there in FA. The Mets are not the destination they believe they are and were used in these negotiations. If there is any saving grace here is the Mets should play the kids now and bring up AA pitching faster than they normally would to see what we have. Not for nothing but LA is aging quickly. The big names are north of their 30’s+ now and this won’t last forever. The Mets need to just keep winning to become the destination FA will finally want to come. Tucker also is injury proned. It would have been great to get him but I almost think they dodged a bullet with this guy. Sometimes things happen for a reason and I have to think this way right now.
I think you're salving yourself some. I wouldn't say we had the better offer and I wouldn't say Tucker is injury prone. Sure hope you're right about LA aging. Between the Mets' disastrous offseason and the Rangers' catastrophe, not a good time to be a fan.
Sure. The Giants got Harbaugh though. That was huge.
You’re a hypocritical jackass
I don't know that we could have put a better deal on the table or should have tried. That's a HUGE amount of money for a B+ player. It's a huge amount of money for an A+ player.
Don't get me wrong, Tucker checks a lot of boxes for us. But at some point, the price is simply too high. That cash can be deployed elsewhere. And after burning up so much money on Verlander and Scherzer without anything to show for it, the last thing we need to do is repeat the mistake.
So, I'm sorry we didn't get him, but I'm not sorry we lost him. Let's get with a more sustainable model and keep the pipeline flowing and be in the hunt every year.
And not for nothing, but we don't know what the system is going to look like under the next CBA. It's hard to imagine the small-to-mids not insisting on some kind of hard cap. It's one thing for the Dodgers to go for it now with their aging core; it's their last chance with this group.
It's quite another for us. Our superstar centerpiece is just entering his age 27 season. Let's be patient, let's be smart, and let's make the right moves.
The Mets will probably get some decent starter on a short deal and basically play for the future while having a team that (if things go right) could get them to the playoffs (all those wild cards) but not too far. But the future is bright! I'm sure it is this time!
I have been patient with Sterns and his plan. Tucker played the Mets for a better offer, I never really felt Pete wanted to stay and took the first best offer, Nimmo was aging but was still solid, and as for Edwin, he simply wanted a ring and didn't see it happening in NY (I also suspect he didn't like Mendoza). So with all that happening in November, I can't defend or understand why Sterns didn't jump on filling the roster needs quickly. Jump on the players in FA early and hard. We pretty much knew what the market was for any FA, so why wait for shadow games? Show early enthusiastic interest and sign. Sterns waited til late January to be a player and now its too late. Better throw the kitchen sink and a blank check to Bellinger and make so good trades before the fan base thins out.
Somehow I get the feeling that Bellinger is not in our future. I've defended Stearns but at this point he's looking clownish.
Agreed. I see him as a Yankee. Sterns is looking clownish and very amateurish.
I like the bat, a LOT. He's not a slugger per se, but he's a consistent gap hitter who tallies a lot of doubles (and I love me them doubles).
But I don't get where Bo fits in with run prevention. He's certainly a downgrade from Baty at third. Good glove, but he doesn't have the arm to be a plus defender there.
Do we try hiding him in left field? It's the easiest place to do it. And I'd rather move him than move Baty out there.
Is there another deal in the works? Is the Baty move off the team entirely and somewhere else as part of a package for pitching? (Hello, Milwaukee.) Is Swaggy the guy packing his bags? Or are we really running with Bichette, Lindor, Semien and Polanco around the horn?
I must admit, I'm more confused than ever.
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Infielder Bo Bichette and the New York Mets are in agreement on a three-year, $126 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
WTF?
Stearns new run prevention scam: 5 infielders and 2 outfielders and all ground ball pitchers.
Per NYTimes: Bichette is expected to play third base for the Mets, a league source said. Brett Baty could see more action at left field.
opt outs after years 1 and 2. Probably only be here a year
THE FU*&*NG Mets just signed Bichette. WHY?????
It appears for the most part....what you see now I what you get.....
Look at the bright side: the Dodgers will likely have to remove somone to make room for Tucker - maybe we can get THAT guy, a Dodgers leftover. Hopefully, he's an OFer.