I do agree the Mullins trade was terrible and didn’t make sense at the time to me. Drew Gilbert was not hitting well in AAA until maybe a month before the deadline and has a .485 ops in his last 15 games. Hes not the reason we may not make the playoffs. I do agree the bottom of the order and the streaky bats of our top guys other than Soto are an issue and then every pitcher underperforming is what killed us.
In his first off-season David Stearns added JD Martinez, Joey Wendle, Zack Short, Jake Diekman, Luis Severino, Sean Manaea, Adrian Houser, Jorge Lopez, Michael Tonkin, Yohan Ramirez, Harrison Bader, Jose Iglesias & Tyrone Taylor. 7 of these 13 additions were so unproductive they were DFA’d within half a season. Only 2 of the 13 made it to a second season. In his second off-season he added Frankie Montas, traded a promising young bullpen arm for Jose Siri and only added 1 arm to the bullpen who lasted 13 games. Frankly, Stearns has been a disaster.
No playoffs this year. Does anyone believe this team will go 5-1/4-2 at the very least to get in? That’s also considering Cincy doesn’t win out with the way they are playing plus Miami would love to play spoiler as they have in the past and they have beaten up the Mets this season already. I said it a while ago the fat lady was on the stage and now she’s gettin ready to sing the first verse. Roll Tide.
Center field has been a disaster. Mullins and Siri have contributed little, and Tyrone who has been here is by far the best option. After June the starting pitching was unbelievably bad, and the guys that were brought into the bullpen have been for the most part arsonists. They have contributed almost nothing to a playoff run!
I would disagree that the majority of the 46 have been ineffective. The majority of the 46 have been here, got a jersey stayed less than a week, did what they were brought here to do, eat innings in a blowout, and then sent away. To judge them based on one, or at most two outings is unfair. Sometimes the guys were spectacular, and then sent to minors the next day It became point that GKR is making jokes about it on the broadcast. So dont blame the pitchers. Blame Stearns/Hefner/Mendoza for not knowing how to run a bullpen unless you have a couple of guys you can churn through every other day.
This frustrating, weird season has come down to this. On one hand, we should be thrilled to be on the edge of Lazy Boy with 6 games to go and still a chance at the PS; on the other, we have all seen/heard/read about the preceding 156 games and know in our hearts that 2 out of the remaining 6 seems about right for this crew. But hope springs eternal in Metsville.
We'll know soon enough - if we drop tonight's game, I would say we're toast but if we can keep the flame lit maybe, just maybe we have a shot.
Reading this, I see multiple missteps—bad trades at the deadline, not enough starting pitching, a weak third catcher, not playing Baty more, giving up Gilbert. Is the biggest giving up Gilbert? I agree most of the trades and signings did not work out. The Mets needed better starting pitching. Hopefully the young trio steps up this week and next year.
The Mets drafted a young talent in 2020 that played cenferfield. Crowe. He developed later but yeah....their cenferfield problems would have been solved huh. 29 homers, 90 RBI and a fast great outfielder. Do the Mets make questionable personnel decisions over the years??
Hey, look...somebody finally mentioned the major league record 46 pitchers used by the Mets, this season. However, it was used in a 3 sentence blip at the end of a long story that contributed nothing that ardent fans didn't already know about the season. Four franchise players having great seasons, but if your pitching staff (and your vaunted "lab") can't get 27 outs, guess what? You're last season's Diamondbacks. Or...you're THIS year's Atlanta Racist Choppers or also THIS year's Orioles team (both projected by a majority of baseball pundits to be playoff teams).
Embarrassing to insult baseball fans intelligence by not STARTING at their pitching, and, quite frankly, ending at it. Historically bad starting pitching in terms of innings pitched (407.2 IP since June 13th; only ahead of the pathetic White Sox. Tied for most walks per 9 in that same stretch at 3.71). If you think it's isolated, just look at the Tigers utter collapse and you'll see eerily similar numbers.
And for those even discussing the offense? 4th best in baseball for the season. This ought to be a playoff team, but instead, a failed organizational structure from Uncle Stevie and The Boy Wonder in regards to their pitching have put them in this position.
I thought going into this season we were in good shape, with the exception of centerfield. I wanted to keep Harrison Bader, and after watching Jose Siri in LIDOM play I was doubly sure it was the better move. I was mystified by the Frankie Montas contract, too (and still am).
Other than that, I believed we had a team to challenge for it all, and had we stayed healthy on the bump, I'm sure that would have been the case, even with the challenges at the bottom of the order. But as it turned out, Manaea started the season hurt and never got quite right, Montas started hurt and stayed that way, Canning and Blackburn got hurt, A.J. Minter and Danny Young got hurt, Tylor Megill got hurt, Reed Garrett got hurt, etc.
And we all know the turning point of the season was Kodai Senga going down on June 12. The very next day, our season turned upside down.
Injuries are part of baseball, of course. Every team must deal with them. But our pitching plans got utterly destroyed, and the two guys who stayed healthy — DP and Holmes — buckled under the weight of carrying us through. Both are way beyond their career-high innings pitched. They just wore out.
So, yeah — it sucks to be in this position, but you can't make it if you don't have the starting pitching to keep you competitive and the bullpen to lock it down. And we just didn't. We had to cycle through more pitchers than any other team in the history of the game just to keep our heads above water.
The good news is, we have three young guys who look ready (and yes, I think Jonah should start next year with the big club). And it's worth noting, developing them through the year in a very controlled, programmatic way is as much a credit to Stearns and the organization as the moves which didn't work out are a debit.
You have made your point All Caps Man. But I don't really see how this is a David Stearns problem. Isn't Mendoza the manager? Don't players have a role in their performance?
I like to think we do a pretty good job at not being too reactionary. The Mets will be lucky to win 84 games at this rate and very well may miss the playoffs — are you okay with that?
There has to be nuance between “David Stearns is awful” and “nobody’s perfect.” He doesn’t deserve to be fired, but he has had an objectively bad 2025.
The results are the results, and no one should be making excuses for this team. They haven’t earned that.
Finger pointing at David Stearns is very different from blaming the team. I am 100% on board with blaming the players. There is obvious lack of effort, lack of desire, and underperformance. I am struck by the distinct difference in energy on teams who don't have high expectations and those that think they belong just based on their perceived roster. Yes, its a collapse, but really is it epic? They've been garbage for at least have the season.
I do agree the Mullins trade was terrible and didn’t make sense at the time to me. Drew Gilbert was not hitting well in AAA until maybe a month before the deadline and has a .485 ops in his last 15 games. Hes not the reason we may not make the playoffs. I do agree the bottom of the order and the streaky bats of our top guys other than Soto are an issue and then every pitcher underperforming is what killed us.
In his first off-season David Stearns added JD Martinez, Joey Wendle, Zack Short, Jake Diekman, Luis Severino, Sean Manaea, Adrian Houser, Jorge Lopez, Michael Tonkin, Yohan Ramirez, Harrison Bader, Jose Iglesias & Tyrone Taylor. 7 of these 13 additions were so unproductive they were DFA’d within half a season. Only 2 of the 13 made it to a second season. In his second off-season he added Frankie Montas, traded a promising young bullpen arm for Jose Siri and only added 1 arm to the bullpen who lasted 13 games. Frankly, Stearns has been a disaster.
No playoffs this year. Does anyone believe this team will go 5-1/4-2 at the very least to get in? That’s also considering Cincy doesn’t win out with the way they are playing plus Miami would love to play spoiler as they have in the past and they have beaten up the Mets this season already. I said it a while ago the fat lady was on the stage and now she’s gettin ready to sing the first verse. Roll Tide.
Center field has been a disaster. Mullins and Siri have contributed little, and Tyrone who has been here is by far the best option. After June the starting pitching was unbelievably bad, and the guys that were brought into the bullpen have been for the most part arsonists. They have contributed almost nothing to a playoff run!
How many blown saves have they recorded??
Hensley has 4 !
I would disagree that the majority of the 46 have been ineffective. The majority of the 46 have been here, got a jersey stayed less than a week, did what they were brought here to do, eat innings in a blowout, and then sent away. To judge them based on one, or at most two outings is unfair. Sometimes the guys were spectacular, and then sent to minors the next day It became point that GKR is making jokes about it on the broadcast. So dont blame the pitchers. Blame Stearns/Hefner/Mendoza for not knowing how to run a bullpen unless you have a couple of guys you can churn through every other day.
Get a more experienced manager. Mandoza mishandled a lot this season and doesn’t know how to light a fire on his players’ asses
This frustrating, weird season has come down to this. On one hand, we should be thrilled to be on the edge of Lazy Boy with 6 games to go and still a chance at the PS; on the other, we have all seen/heard/read about the preceding 156 games and know in our hearts that 2 out of the remaining 6 seems about right for this crew. But hope springs eternal in Metsville.
We'll know soon enough - if we drop tonight's game, I would say we're toast but if we can keep the flame lit maybe, just maybe we have a shot.
LGM
Reading this, I see multiple missteps—bad trades at the deadline, not enough starting pitching, a weak third catcher, not playing Baty more, giving up Gilbert. Is the biggest giving up Gilbert? I agree most of the trades and signings did not work out. The Mets needed better starting pitching. Hopefully the young trio steps up this week and next year.
COMMENTS
A WEAK 3RD STRING CATCHER. HOW ABOUT STARTING ALVEREZ ALL SEPTEMBER WITH SOME HORRIBLE NUMBERS AFTER HIS INJURY
AS TORRENS WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLUS BOTH ON O/D
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NOT ONLY CONTINUING TO PLAY A COLD VIENTOS BUT BATTING HIM 4 5
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MARTE WAS VERY GOOD WHOLE YEAR BUT COOLED DOWN IN SEPTEMBER AND METS CONTINUED TO BAT HIM 5 6
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BATTING BATY 7 8 NO MATTER HOW HOT HE WAS HITTING
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ALONSO HAD A PRETTY BAD 2ND HALF AND A HORRIBLE SEPTEMBER
NOT ENOUGH RBIs AND TOO MANY STRIKEOUTS
Alonso in September:
.311/.369/.608
I don't even know what else to say to moronic takes like that.
The Mets drafted a young talent in 2020 that played cenferfield. Crowe. He developed later but yeah....their cenferfield problems would have been solved huh. 29 homers, 90 RBI and a fast great outfielder. Do the Mets make questionable personnel decisions over the years??
That was an awful trade. It was made by GM Zack Scott.
Hey, look...somebody finally mentioned the major league record 46 pitchers used by the Mets, this season. However, it was used in a 3 sentence blip at the end of a long story that contributed nothing that ardent fans didn't already know about the season. Four franchise players having great seasons, but if your pitching staff (and your vaunted "lab") can't get 27 outs, guess what? You're last season's Diamondbacks. Or...you're THIS year's Atlanta Racist Choppers or also THIS year's Orioles team (both projected by a majority of baseball pundits to be playoff teams).
Embarrassing to insult baseball fans intelligence by not STARTING at their pitching, and, quite frankly, ending at it. Historically bad starting pitching in terms of innings pitched (407.2 IP since June 13th; only ahead of the pathetic White Sox. Tied for most walks per 9 in that same stretch at 3.71). If you think it's isolated, just look at the Tigers utter collapse and you'll see eerily similar numbers.
And for those even discussing the offense? 4th best in baseball for the season. This ought to be a playoff team, but instead, a failed organizational structure from Uncle Stevie and The Boy Wonder in regards to their pitching have put them in this position.
I thought going into this season we were in good shape, with the exception of centerfield. I wanted to keep Harrison Bader, and after watching Jose Siri in LIDOM play I was doubly sure it was the better move. I was mystified by the Frankie Montas contract, too (and still am).
Other than that, I believed we had a team to challenge for it all, and had we stayed healthy on the bump, I'm sure that would have been the case, even with the challenges at the bottom of the order. But as it turned out, Manaea started the season hurt and never got quite right, Montas started hurt and stayed that way, Canning and Blackburn got hurt, A.J. Minter and Danny Young got hurt, Tylor Megill got hurt, Reed Garrett got hurt, etc.
And we all know the turning point of the season was Kodai Senga going down on June 12. The very next day, our season turned upside down.
Injuries are part of baseball, of course. Every team must deal with them. But our pitching plans got utterly destroyed, and the two guys who stayed healthy — DP and Holmes — buckled under the weight of carrying us through. Both are way beyond their career-high innings pitched. They just wore out.
So, yeah — it sucks to be in this position, but you can't make it if you don't have the starting pitching to keep you competitive and the bullpen to lock it down. And we just didn't. We had to cycle through more pitchers than any other team in the history of the game just to keep our heads above water.
The good news is, we have three young guys who look ready (and yes, I think Jonah should start next year with the big club). And it's worth noting, developing them through the year in a very controlled, programmatic way is as much a credit to Stearns and the organization as the moves which didn't work out are a debit.
Why did they DFA Dom Hamel?
WHY DID THE METS DFA GARCIA 2X OVER SO MANY OTHER HORRIBLE PITCHERS THE KEPT
Hindsight is 20/20 and the trade deadline was acclaimed everywhere - even here. Relievers are tenuous. Finger pointing is easy. Baseball is hard.
The Mets had monster expectations & are six games away from a full scale collapse. All due respect but no one wants to hear “baseball is hard.”
LETS DISCUSS ALONSO WHO THE WRITER SAID HAD A SOLID YEAR
ALONSO
AT 6/12, 80 RBIs, LOTS OF WALKS, NOT ALOT OF Ks
NEXT 80 GAMES, ONLY 40 RBIs WITH TOO MANY Ks
IN SEPTEMBER, ONLY 10 RBIS, 28 Ks BUT JUST METS STAFF CONTINUED TO SAY ONLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT ALONSO
ALONSO GREAT IN MAY
SOTO GREAT IN SEPTEMBER
THROUGH 6/12 WHEN THE METS WERE #1 TEAM IN BASEBALL AND BEFORE ALONSO BAD THROW SENT THE #1 PITCHER SENGA TO DL, NOTHING WAS EVER THE SAME AGAIN
COMMENTS ON THE METS HORROBLE MANAGER
A WEAK 3RD STRING CATCHER. HOW ABOUT STARTING ALVEREZ ALL SEPTEMBER WITH SOME HORRIBLE NUMBERS AFTER HIS INJURY
AS TORRENS WOULD HAVE BEEN A PLUS BOTH ON O/D
*
NOT ONLY CONTINUING TO PLAY A COLD VIENTOS BUT BATTING HIM 4 5
*
MARTE WAS VERY GOOD WHOLE YEAR BUT COOLED DOWN IN SEPTEMBER AND METS CONTINUED TO BAT HIM 5 6
*
BATTING BATY 7 8 NO MATTER HOW HOT HE WAS HITTING
*
ALONSO HAD A PRETTY BAD 2ND HALF AND A HORRIBLE SEPTEMBER
NOT ENOUGH RBIs AND TOO MANY STRIKEOUTS
You have made your point All Caps Man. But I don't really see how this is a David Stearns problem. Isn't Mendoza the manager? Don't players have a role in their performance?
Its a Mets GM Problem until he decides to fire the Mets Manager
As to the least, Mets had to make the Wildcard Playoff Game
And yes the players are responsible but then the manager needs to address players not performing
In September
Sitting Alverez Vientos Marte
Lowering Alonso in batting average to 5 6. Based on lack of RBIs and too many Ks
Hitting McNeil higher, 3rd best OPS on Mets for most of 2025
Batting Baty Much higher 4 5 6 on various days
Look at how Baty hit batting 7 8 with no support behind him
Fans are reactionary enough. Podcasters can do better. David Stearns is not going to be perfect.
I like to think we do a pretty good job at not being too reactionary. The Mets will be lucky to win 84 games at this rate and very well may miss the playoffs — are you okay with that?
There has to be nuance between “David Stearns is awful” and “nobody’s perfect.” He doesn’t deserve to be fired, but he has had an objectively bad 2025.
The results are the results, and no one should be making excuses for this team. They haven’t earned that.
Finger pointing at David Stearns is very different from blaming the team. I am 100% on board with blaming the players. There is obvious lack of effort, lack of desire, and underperformance. I am struck by the distinct difference in energy on teams who don't have high expectations and those that think they belong just based on their perceived roster. Yes, its a collapse, but really is it epic? They've been garbage for at least have the season.
I think everyone’s to blame — players, Stearns, coaches.
I’d say collapsing for half the year is pretty epic with the individual talent that they have, but I suppose that’s a semantics argument.
START WITH THE HORRIBLE MULLINS TRADE. WHERE THE METS GM PANICKED AND JUST MADE ANY TRADE
FIRST METS SHOULD HAVE LIVED WITH THE MCNEIL TAYLOR OUTFIELD
BUT METS SAID THEY WANTED TO UPGRADE FROM TAYLORS 222 BATTING AVERAGE
SO METS TRADED FOR MULLINS, A 233 HITTER THE LAST 4 YEARS AND A WORSE CENTERFIELDER THAN TAYLOR
AND MULLINS WAS HITTING UNDER 200 FOR THE METS SINCE THE TRADE
I'll check his game log, but I swear I've seen him get only about 3 hits since we got him. he's been an automatic out