"Of course, you can make a compelling argument that Mendoza should never have put a struggling Helsley into a one-run game in the first place." I've been one to defend Mendoza but this was staggeringly dumb because Helsley has been consistently and reliably bad and if you want to lose a ballgame bringing him in is an excellent idea.
There is no time to “fix” Helsley. He’s a 1/2 year rental. Have him admit he’s having arm issues and stick him on the IL same with Senga. Bring up Ross and Sproat. Piggyback Manaea’s starts with Holmes or vice versa that’s 5 man rotation. Stick Megil in the pen and DFA Stanek or Helsley. Neither can play in the playoffs for any other team. Problem solved. The insanity this team has displayed this year makes me sick.
Excellent ideas James....there's too much for Helsley to fix during a playoff race. Have him demoted so he can pitch during winter & fix all the problems...NONE of the Mets moves at trading deadline has panned out. What a waste.
Does he still have great stuff? Yes he consistently touches 99+ mph with his fastball but that fastball is consistently high and wide to lefties and when he does manage to find the strike zone with it, it’s usually right down the pipe. And, as we saw yesterday, any decent major league hitter can catch up with a grooved fastball and create a souvenir.
In reference to: "LHP Gregory Soto has now allowed just one earned run in his last five outings, while walking one and striking out five" ... the stat I'd like to see is how many inherited runners he has allowed to score. Just from memory ... he seems to get going after a run or two has crossed the plate.
Check out that still, and then the clip of the dinger he surrendered: when Helsley throws his 4-seam fastball, his arm is straight and he slings it. But he cranks his slider and curve, and his changeup too.
All a hitter has to do is ignore everything where he breaks his elbow more and wait for the sling and jump on it.
If he's effective with his secondaries and throwing them for strikes, it doesn't matter; even if the hitter can recognize the sling in time, they can't time it. He throws hard enough to blow it past any batter who is staying back for the offspeed stuff.
But if he's spiking his breaking balls or yanking his slider wide to the glove side or missing with his changeup down to the arm side — all of which he's been doing — you just have to sit dead red and you've got him, especially since he keeps falling behind and tries to muscle out of it.
His fastball is straight as an arrow. Anywhere in the zone and it's sayonara.
Helsley, Stanek and Senga are all un-pitchable. All 3 need to be off the roster - IL Helsley, DFA Stanek and hopefully Senga accepts a MILB assignment. Activate Megill, Sproat, Ross.
Does Mandy have a 2nd in command coach by his side to stop the asinine move of bringing in Helsley in a 1 run game? It is not like this was Helsley’s first time blowing a game up!!!
Hey Mandy - what the f were you thinking? And why not get help with these decisions? Don’t you have an assistant coach right next to you?
Are you both blind?
a This guy is shot. Only put him in when the score is 12-2 instead of a position player.
He has to be fixed - but NOT NOW!! And Mandy - never again? You lost this game as much as that pitcher. !!
Call up Brandon Sproat for Senga, if he obliges to the minor league assignment and activate McGill who isn’t ideal as a reliever but way better than Helsley!
It is hard to believe that in trading for Ryan, all commentators felt it was a great trade. He has been like adding gasoline to a fire. He sure throws hard but it's like watching batting practice when he comes in a game. Hopefully he can straighten himself without being used in close games through the rest of the season
If there is no time to fix him, what's the point of keeping him? He's a rental. Are you going to trust him in the playoffs if you can't use him in September with a four-game lead in the standings?
The Mets had a "hard to sweep" game yesterday. Multiple mistakes and failed opportunities.
It was still 3-2 when H. was used. I didn't want to assume the worst, but then it happened. The guy only seems to pitch okay in blowouts.
1. Is Helseley optionable to the minors to work this through? 2. Where is the Mets vaunted pitching geniuses to help fix this problem. 3. Part of the issue, which no one is addressing, falls on the catchers, calling to pitches, and not being able to get him through an inning. Pitch calling is more the point here, but he needs Alvarez to get back and give him that Diaz treatment that he is so good at. Tipping pitches is not just a visible queue, it is guessing right as to what is coming. But at 101 mph, if it is in the right spot, thrown with confidence, it should still provide better results than this.
How many games has Mendoza's head-scratching bullpen management cost the Mets this year? This is clearly not a strength for him. In the NFL some head coaches hand off play calling to the OC. Maybe something similar should be done here.
Did a beat reporter ASK Mendoz WHY he put Helsley in the game? I suspect he's attempting to imbue confidence in him....but this is making it worse. He needs to go to the repair shop.
What I find most disturbing about the decision to pitch Helsley late in a one run game is that Torrens was available.
Harvey, you win comment of the week 😂
I second the nomination. 😆
Well played, Harvey 😂
Bravo!
Lmao
"Of course, you can make a compelling argument that Mendoza should never have put a struggling Helsley into a one-run game in the first place." I've been one to defend Mendoza but this was staggeringly dumb because Helsley has been consistently and reliably bad and if you want to lose a ballgame bringing him in is an excellent idea.
There is no time to “fix” Helsley. He’s a 1/2 year rental. Have him admit he’s having arm issues and stick him on the IL same with Senga. Bring up Ross and Sproat. Piggyback Manaea’s starts with Holmes or vice versa that’s 5 man rotation. Stick Megil in the pen and DFA Stanek or Helsley. Neither can play in the playoffs for any other team. Problem solved. The insanity this team has displayed this year makes me sick.
Excellent ideas James....there's too much for Helsley to fix during a playoff race. Have him demoted so he can pitch during winter & fix all the problems...NONE of the Mets moves at trading deadline has panned out. What a waste.
Agree - and Mandy is just as responsible for this loss as Helsley.
Imagine if we lose a wild card by 1 game. WAKE UP!!
Does he still have great stuff? Yes he consistently touches 99+ mph with his fastball but that fastball is consistently high and wide to lefties and when he does manage to find the strike zone with it, it’s usually right down the pipe. And, as we saw yesterday, any decent major league hitter can catch up with a grooved fastball and create a souvenir.
In reference to: "LHP Gregory Soto has now allowed just one earned run in his last five outings, while walking one and striking out five" ... the stat I'd like to see is how many inherited runners he has allowed to score. Just from memory ... he seems to get going after a run or two has crossed the plate.
Check out that still, and then the clip of the dinger he surrendered: when Helsley throws his 4-seam fastball, his arm is straight and he slings it. But he cranks his slider and curve, and his changeup too.
All a hitter has to do is ignore everything where he breaks his elbow more and wait for the sling and jump on it.
If he's effective with his secondaries and throwing them for strikes, it doesn't matter; even if the hitter can recognize the sling in time, they can't time it. He throws hard enough to blow it past any batter who is staying back for the offspeed stuff.
But if he's spiking his breaking balls or yanking his slider wide to the glove side or missing with his changeup down to the arm side — all of which he's been doing — you just have to sit dead red and you've got him, especially since he keeps falling behind and tries to muscle out of it.
His fastball is straight as an arrow. Anywhere in the zone and it's sayonara.
Helsley, Stanek and Senga are all un-pitchable. All 3 need to be off the roster - IL Helsley, DFA Stanek and hopefully Senga accepts a MILB assignment. Activate Megill, Sproat, Ross.
Wow - this says it all! Thank you Harvey. Now someone send that text to Cohen, Stern, and Mandy
Then maybe we get to stay in the fight
Does Mandy have a 2nd in command coach by his side to stop the asinine move of bringing in Helsley in a 1 run game? It is not like this was Helsley’s first time blowing a game up!!!
Hey Mandy - what the f were you thinking? And why not get help with these decisions? Don’t you have an assistant coach right next to you?
Are you both blind?
a This guy is shot. Only put him in when the score is 12-2 instead of a position player.
He has to be fixed - but NOT NOW!! And Mandy - never again? You lost this game as much as that pitcher. !!
Call up Brandon Sproat for Senga, if he obliges to the minor league assignment and activate McGill who isn’t ideal as a reliever but way better than Helsley!
It is hard to believe that in trading for Ryan, all commentators felt it was a great trade. He has been like adding gasoline to a fire. He sure throws hard but it's like watching batting practice when he comes in a game. Hopefully he can straighten himself without being used in close games through the rest of the season
If there is no time to fix him, what's the point of keeping him? He's a rental. Are you going to trust him in the playoffs if you can't use him in September with a four-game lead in the standings?
The Mets had a "hard to sweep" game yesterday. Multiple mistakes and failed opportunities.
It was still 3-2 when H. was used. I didn't want to assume the worst, but then it happened. The guy only seems to pitch okay in blowouts.
Also use him as the long man in games that are already gone. (Maybe his arm comes up sore afterwards, if he does not fix his problem)
1. Is Helseley optionable to the minors to work this through? 2. Where is the Mets vaunted pitching geniuses to help fix this problem. 3. Part of the issue, which no one is addressing, falls on the catchers, calling to pitches, and not being able to get him through an inning. Pitch calling is more the point here, but he needs Alvarez to get back and give him that Diaz treatment that he is so good at. Tipping pitches is not just a visible queue, it is guessing right as to what is coming. But at 101 mph, if it is in the right spot, thrown with confidence, it should still provide better results than this.
How many games has Mendoza's head-scratching bullpen management cost the Mets this year? This is clearly not a strength for him. In the NFL some head coaches hand off play calling to the OC. Maybe something similar should be done here.
Perhaps it was.
To review the Tigers 6 runs (not for the eyes of minors):
Baez reached first base on catcher’s interference, McKinstry to second.
Rogers singled, McKinstry scored
*
Keith walked … Carpenter walked
Carpenter to second on wild pitch by G Soto, Keith to third
Greene singled, Keith and Carpenter scored
*
Keith singled
Torres walked
Carpenter homered
*
Four of six runs were the result of Mets charity
Did a beat reporter ASK Mendoz WHY he put Helsley in the game? I suspect he's attempting to imbue confidence in him....but this is making it worse. He needs to go to the repair shop.
To be a little bit fair ... there aren't an unlimited number of pitchers available to pitch an unlimited number of innings ...
Roster Breakdown by Period:
Opening Day to August 31st:
Maximum active roster size: 26 players
Maximum pitchers: 13
September 1st to end of regular season:
Maximum active roster size: 28 players
Maximum pitchers: 14