Joel Sherman had a great piece today in the Post about the “theory” of Montas and it was spot on. I screamed when the Mets signed this slug. In theory his stuff plays but when you add the numbers up this guy should be in AAA or in the Mexican league. He has been horrible for years now. This only shows the numbers when he has been healthy which has been his other issue. The Mets seem that they are going to “die on this hill” with the rotation they assembled and from what I see they don’t even make the playoffs with how it’s gone since July hit. I’m longing for the days of Griffin Canning for God’s sake! I’m even seeking Paul Blackburn right now. Anyone but Montas. If they keep running out 4 inning starters this season will slip away fast. The gloves need to come off with Manaea and Senga. They need to go 100+ pitches regardless of what’s going on. The rehab has been done and this slow walking shit needs to end. Snell for the Dodgers came back and his first start went 86 pitches. The rate this staff is going every arm in the pen will be long dead by September. DFA Stanek PLEASE! This isn’t a playoff team right now and I concur deservedly so!
It doesn't take a baseball analyst to see that the pesky Miami Marlins ARE a better team than the Mets at this moment. They try hard and they're exciting to watch.
I do not see a way for the Mets to be successful with a starting staff of no more than 2 1/2. At this point bring up the kids, and they could do no worse than what goes to the mound after Peterson and Manea. Stroman would even be an improvement and might have motivation to prove the Yankees wrong. For a team expecting to contend this is ridiculous.
It's time to bring up Sproat and/or McLean. Yes, they will likely get shelled in their first few outings, but then they will have time to "figure it out". I don't see Montas as getting any better and the Holmes experiment doesn't appear to be panning out. Plus, Senga is a huge question mark right now. We've reached the time of the season when the front office needs to get less risk-averse with bringing up the young talent.
Montas is no mystery. He can't consistently spot his fastball on the corners, he falls behind in the count, then he needs to come in with something. And everyone knows to lay off his splitter. He ends up either walking people or serving up cookies.
I mean, you don't throw a 94 mph fastball middle-middle to anyone, let alone Devers. That thing is going for a ride every day of the week.
What's frustrating is the fact he was good for two innings yesterday. He came out throwing strikes and getting ahead and going after hitters. He actually looked good. But as soon as he got in a little bit of trouble, he started yanking his pitches and missing his spots and gripping it tighter and throwing it even harder and getting even flatter and then he just got creamed.
He's got the stuff. His repertoire should play. The ability just isn't there.
Agreed, running out Montas is asking to lose. One element is that it may be hard for Stearns to admit he made a mistake with this signing. I imagine Cohen is quite familiar with the "throwing good money after bad" concept, so I'd think he'd accept that Stearns blew it. And I wouldn't think that blowing an option year on the pitching prospects should be that big of a factor. At this point, we're all asking, "What are they waiting for?" Sure, if you think Sproat or McLean will get lit up bad and get their confidence blasted, that's a consideration. But at this point doing whatever we can to win ballgames should outweigh that. We're very lucky that the Phils haven't been playing great either.
Mets are 18-25 since June 12th and that’s with a 7 game winning streak. They’re just not a good team right now. I agree Sproat and McLean should get a shot and I don’t think a couple of starts in MLB will ruin their development. More likely we see Blackburn and Megill before we see them though. But I don’t see the options for the offense except 🤞
I realize the starter market was limited, but others did get a starter, including the Tigers. That starter helped the Tigers limit the Phils to two runs. Unfortunately, the Tigers decided not to score.
Montas appeared to be a bad signing -- they are wary about spending money for starters, and they spend money (if not years) for that guy? And do so early, like he was some gem to seize.
The bigger issue is that before the deadline, it was clear the team needed a starter. They got three nice relievers (one or two VERY nice), but a starter is not just essential for the playoffs. They need it to get there. Or get there as a divisional winner.
Someone argued that they figured the likely options were deemed not notably better than their prospects. Well, the team seems to be wary about exposing the prospects even for a spot start. As is, the time is now. I don't want to rely on Megill and Blackburn.
The SP is awful now, but the offense has stunk all season and continues to do so. We get one game breakouts every once in awhile and then zip. There's not much of an identity to this team, flipflops or not, and I don't see a strong leader in the Manager's seat either.
Joel Sherman had a great piece today in the Post about the “theory” of Montas and it was spot on. I screamed when the Mets signed this slug. In theory his stuff plays but when you add the numbers up this guy should be in AAA or in the Mexican league. He has been horrible for years now. This only shows the numbers when he has been healthy which has been his other issue. The Mets seem that they are going to “die on this hill” with the rotation they assembled and from what I see they don’t even make the playoffs with how it’s gone since July hit. I’m longing for the days of Griffin Canning for God’s sake! I’m even seeking Paul Blackburn right now. Anyone but Montas. If they keep running out 4 inning starters this season will slip away fast. The gloves need to come off with Manaea and Senga. They need to go 100+ pitches regardless of what’s going on. The rehab has been done and this slow walking shit needs to end. Snell for the Dodgers came back and his first start went 86 pitches. The rate this staff is going every arm in the pen will be long dead by September. DFA Stanek PLEASE! This isn’t a playoff team right now and I concur deservedly so!
It doesn't take a baseball analyst to see that the pesky Miami Marlins ARE a better team than the Mets at this moment. They try hard and they're exciting to watch.
They put a whooping on the Yankees. Pitching and timely hitting. I wish I knew what that was anymore.
Helps that the Yanks are a mess.
Like the Mets aren’t?
You mentioned the Yankees. The Mets have problems. I think the Yanks are probably more of a mess at the moment.
It appears he overweight a bit? It could affect his stamina.
The guy has sucked since 2021
I do not see a way for the Mets to be successful with a starting staff of no more than 2 1/2. At this point bring up the kids, and they could do no worse than what goes to the mound after Peterson and Manea. Stroman would even be an improvement and might have motivation to prove the Yankees wrong. For a team expecting to contend this is ridiculous.
I'm with you but as far as I can tell team chemistry is still good and we don't need Stroman's toxicity.
It's time to bring up Sproat and/or McLean. Yes, they will likely get shelled in their first few outings, but then they will have time to "figure it out". I don't see Montas as getting any better and the Holmes experiment doesn't appear to be panning out. Plus, Senga is a huge question mark right now. We've reached the time of the season when the front office needs to get less risk-averse with bringing up the young talent.
What do you do about their anemic hitting? Mendoza benching a hot Vientos for Baty was a dumb move
Montas is no mystery. He can't consistently spot his fastball on the corners, he falls behind in the count, then he needs to come in with something. And everyone knows to lay off his splitter. He ends up either walking people or serving up cookies.
I mean, you don't throw a 94 mph fastball middle-middle to anyone, let alone Devers. That thing is going for a ride every day of the week.
What's frustrating is the fact he was good for two innings yesterday. He came out throwing strikes and getting ahead and going after hitters. He actually looked good. But as soon as he got in a little bit of trouble, he started yanking his pitches and missing his spots and gripping it tighter and throwing it even harder and getting even flatter and then he just got creamed.
He's got the stuff. His repertoire should play. The ability just isn't there.
Agreed, running out Montas is asking to lose. One element is that it may be hard for Stearns to admit he made a mistake with this signing. I imagine Cohen is quite familiar with the "throwing good money after bad" concept, so I'd think he'd accept that Stearns blew it. And I wouldn't think that blowing an option year on the pitching prospects should be that big of a factor. At this point, we're all asking, "What are they waiting for?" Sure, if you think Sproat or McLean will get lit up bad and get their confidence blasted, that's a consideration. But at this point doing whatever we can to win ballgames should outweigh that. We're very lucky that the Phils haven't been playing great either.
Mets are 18-25 since June 12th and that’s with a 7 game winning streak. They’re just not a good team right now. I agree Sproat and McLean should get a shot and I don’t think a couple of starts in MLB will ruin their development. More likely we see Blackburn and Megill before we see them though. But I don’t see the options for the offense except 🤞
I realize the starter market was limited, but others did get a starter, including the Tigers. That starter helped the Tigers limit the Phils to two runs. Unfortunately, the Tigers decided not to score.
Montas appeared to be a bad signing -- they are wary about spending money for starters, and they spend money (if not years) for that guy? And do so early, like he was some gem to seize.
The bigger issue is that before the deadline, it was clear the team needed a starter. They got three nice relievers (one or two VERY nice), but a starter is not just essential for the playoffs. They need it to get there. Or get there as a divisional winner.
Someone argued that they figured the likely options were deemed not notably better than their prospects. Well, the team seems to be wary about exposing the prospects even for a spot start. As is, the time is now. I don't want to rely on Megill and Blackburn.
The SP is awful now, but the offense has stunk all season and continues to do so. We get one game breakouts every once in awhile and then zip. There's not much of an identity to this team, flipflops or not, and I don't see a strong leader in the Manager's seat either.
Wait until next year.
I assign close to zero blame to Mendoza.
I don't want to appear to be overly optimistic but .....
I thought they'd get a starter but opted for a centerfielder.
I'd much rather watch a kid start than Montas (or Holmes) right now.