You know, I keep thinking about an old Casey Stengel story from back in the days of the Yankees dynasty. A reporter asked him what made the team so good. Stengel called over a young outfielder (I don't remember who) who was warming up for the game.
"Kid," Stengel asked, "what are you hittin'?"
"Gee skip, I don't know."
"How many homers you got?"
"I got a few Case, I don't really know how many."
"What about RBIs? How many runs you driven in?"
"Sorry, I don't really know the number."
"Okay kid, go back to what you were doin'."
Stengel turned to the reporter.
"That's what makes us so good," he said. "That kid comes to the ballpark, he ain't thinkin' about nothin' but beatin' ya."
What I mean when I say "not feasible" is that all modern day ballplayers are very much aware of their stats and what it means for their bargaining power.
I dont know why everyone is shocked. This is the plan. Stearns confirmed that by not getting starting pitching, but adding 3 relievers, at the deadline. Yesterday, there was no reason to not let Rogers pitch the 8th. Take all your plans and burn them. A reliever is in, he is pitching well, keep him in If he is not pull him out. This Rogers-Helsey-Diaz 7-8-9 requires three guys to be on point to work. The math will tell you everytime you add a variable, the liklihood of success drops. And Mendoza is useless. Hiring a coach from the Yankees is like looking to for a transfer quarterback. If no one thinks Boone is good, why would is lieutenants be any better.
Our 5 and Dive pitchers that we’ve been complaining about all year because they can’t go deep can’t even go 5 anymore! Every game besides Peterson’s is a bullpen game. Can’t blame the bats yesterday although I can’t watch Lindor and Nimmo play everyday right now.
When facing these confederate traitors (yes, the Braves) confidence is vital. Now is this the 2nd time the Mets have entered a series vs. them whilst on a losing streak? Sadly I can't see them hitting Strider...the Mets make rookies and journeymen look like Cy Young
Milwaukee knew all they had to do was get to that bullpen. They fouled off pitches and drove Manaea’s pitch count to get him out of the game then feasted on the bullpen. Every team knows this and that will be the game plan for every team going forward. The “new” bullpen is spent already and this season is headed down the tubes. I’m calling it now. It’s ovah and I expect this team to keep failing and falling in the standings. Everyone should be fired over this and Stearns should be on shaky ground. I feel like this team and management has gaslighted us this year as they took a very mediocre plan and told us it was a solid team that would get into the playoffs. It sure looks like that was all lies. We the fans questioned how the pitching staff was constructed but Stearns got the benefit of the doubt from the success last year. The Montas signing should’ve sounded the alarms as the guy just can’t pitch. Especially in NY. They did nothing at the deadline to bolster the starting rotation and refuse to call up the kids who have nothing to prove in AAA. They are afraid to screw around with the 40 man roster and why? What’s so special with the guys we have on it now? Are they worried about someone’s feelings? Mendy keeps the same 4 guys at the top of the order when Lindor should be hitting 8/9 with what he’s putting up. He changes nothing hoping for different results and we all know that definition is INSANE! They gave us 2 months of good baseball but have sucked since June. I’m very angry about this and it might end my baseball fandom. Once they get locked on Dec. 1,2026 I may never come back. How good is the product they are giving us anyway? The whole league has only 4/5 guys hitting .300? Pitchers win 15 games in a season and that’s Cy Young worthy? Guys are putting up the same numbers now then when guys did it hitting .350. Pitchers? Not even close. Guys used to hit almost 300 innings as starters. With 300+k’s. The game has been watered down so much it’s barely recognizable anymore as America’s Pastime as guys make 60mil a season. Thank God college football starts in about 10 days as I’m done with this Mets team and if the lock out lasts for a season I’ll never come back. Screw baseball.
Cohen got us all to buy into the mystique of David Stearns. It even looked like it was true last year. But now I think he just got lucky. This year's roster has been a disaster. Sure, injuries happen, and players suddenly don't play to the back of their baseball cards, but his experiments this year have been a failure. Plus, Milwaukee seems to be doing just fine, if not thriving since he left, so...
Players play the game and coaches coach while management builds! It’s painfully obvious that the Mets brass went into the offseason grossly miscalculating the signings of their starting pitchers. I’d argue that they are afraid to trade for and sign #1 ace starters between the age of 25 to 29, with multiple prime years left.
Our only move perhaps is if they go against the grain and call up Tong, Sproat and McClean from AAA, to start while placing Montas in the bullpen and having openers to start the game when Senga and Holmes take their turns in the rotation.
Ace starters between 25 and 29? The big 3 last winter were Burnes, Fried, and Snell. Snell is 32 and has barely pitched this year; Burnes is coming up on 31 and blew out his elbow; Fried is 31 and has pitched well for Yankees, but assuredly won't be at age 39 which is when his contract runs out. So what your hoping for isn't realistic.
Fair enough. Add the trade market to that equation: Garrett Crochet last offseason + this most recent trade deadline, there was also Edward Cabrera and Joe Ryan but NYM did want do fork over the top prospects.
Mendoza is in his second season and stll manages like he only knows the stats, not the guys, and what actually do. I wonder how long it takes Cohen to realize he is overpaying for a lot for flawed players, whose flaws have been highlighted by organization mess. (Nimmo for one. Would rather have teh .400 OBP guy than the slugger he is tryig to be. Strkees out WAY to much.)
Did you get a look at the batting averages of the Mets lineup. I think one guy was above .260. Home Run or strike out. Station to station baseball is boring, and also is generally not productive. And here comes the Reds.
In the "they keep dragging me back in" department, the Mets' playoff odds are still high. Do the Reds have a tough schedule? Do odds makers assume the Mets will stop losing every day?
El problema creo que es mental. Hasta el 5-0 parecíamos un equipo consistente y que incluso sabe jugar al baseball. Sin embargo, no estaba tranquilo y cuando los Brewers anotaron la primera carrera presentí el descarrilamiento. Con el empate 6-6 tenía claro que íbamos a perder, sin llegar siquiera a entradas extras. Simplemente se notaba, viendo las caras de abatimiento y sorpresa de los propios jugadores. Qué tal dejar a Nimmo y a Lindor fuera de la alineación un par de partidos para ver si así reaccionan?
The 220ish hitting #9 guy in the Brewers lineup proves to be a tougher out in the late innings of a close game than anyone the Mets can throw up there
Well put.
June 13 really was the pivot day, wasn't it.
You know, I keep thinking about an old Casey Stengel story from back in the days of the Yankees dynasty. A reporter asked him what made the team so good. Stengel called over a young outfielder (I don't remember who) who was warming up for the game.
"Kid," Stengel asked, "what are you hittin'?"
"Gee skip, I don't know."
"How many homers you got?"
"I got a few Case, I don't really know how many."
"What about RBIs? How many runs you driven in?"
"Sorry, I don't really know the number."
"Okay kid, go back to what you were doin'."
Stengel turned to the reporter.
"That's what makes us so good," he said. "That kid comes to the ballpark, he ain't thinkin' about nothin' but beatin' ya."
Nice story, but not feasible in our era.
Really? You think what we're doing now is working?
What I mean when I say "not feasible" is that all modern day ballplayers are very much aware of their stats and what it means for their bargaining power.
I hope they're not thinking about their bargaining power when they're in the batter's box. Or on the mound. Or in the field.
I dont know why everyone is shocked. This is the plan. Stearns confirmed that by not getting starting pitching, but adding 3 relievers, at the deadline. Yesterday, there was no reason to not let Rogers pitch the 8th. Take all your plans and burn them. A reliever is in, he is pitching well, keep him in If he is not pull him out. This Rogers-Helsey-Diaz 7-8-9 requires three guys to be on point to work. The math will tell you everytime you add a variable, the liklihood of success drops. And Mendoza is useless. Hiring a coach from the Yankees is like looking to for a transfer quarterback. If no one thinks Boone is good, why would is lieutenants be any better.
Our 5 and Dive pitchers that we’ve been complaining about all year because they can’t go deep can’t even go 5 anymore! Every game besides Peterson’s is a bullpen game. Can’t blame the bats yesterday although I can’t watch Lindor and Nimmo play everyday right now.
The question, as written above, is: "Can it actually get worse from here?"
While the question may be rhetorical, the answer that comes to my baseball-numb mind is: Atlanta is coming in for 3.
When facing these confederate traitors (yes, the Braves) confidence is vital. Now is this the 2nd time the Mets have entered a series vs. them whilst on a losing streak? Sadly I can't see them hitting Strider...the Mets make rookies and journeymen look like Cy Young
Milwaukee knew all they had to do was get to that bullpen. They fouled off pitches and drove Manaea’s pitch count to get him out of the game then feasted on the bullpen. Every team knows this and that will be the game plan for every team going forward. The “new” bullpen is spent already and this season is headed down the tubes. I’m calling it now. It’s ovah and I expect this team to keep failing and falling in the standings. Everyone should be fired over this and Stearns should be on shaky ground. I feel like this team and management has gaslighted us this year as they took a very mediocre plan and told us it was a solid team that would get into the playoffs. It sure looks like that was all lies. We the fans questioned how the pitching staff was constructed but Stearns got the benefit of the doubt from the success last year. The Montas signing should’ve sounded the alarms as the guy just can’t pitch. Especially in NY. They did nothing at the deadline to bolster the starting rotation and refuse to call up the kids who have nothing to prove in AAA. They are afraid to screw around with the 40 man roster and why? What’s so special with the guys we have on it now? Are they worried about someone’s feelings? Mendy keeps the same 4 guys at the top of the order when Lindor should be hitting 8/9 with what he’s putting up. He changes nothing hoping for different results and we all know that definition is INSANE! They gave us 2 months of good baseball but have sucked since June. I’m very angry about this and it might end my baseball fandom. Once they get locked on Dec. 1,2026 I may never come back. How good is the product they are giving us anyway? The whole league has only 4/5 guys hitting .300? Pitchers win 15 games in a season and that’s Cy Young worthy? Guys are putting up the same numbers now then when guys did it hitting .350. Pitchers? Not even close. Guys used to hit almost 300 innings as starters. With 300+k’s. The game has been watered down so much it’s barely recognizable anymore as America’s Pastime as guys make 60mil a season. Thank God college football starts in about 10 days as I’m done with this Mets team and if the lock out lasts for a season I’ll never come back. Screw baseball.
Cohen got us all to buy into the mystique of David Stearns. It even looked like it was true last year. But now I think he just got lucky. This year's roster has been a disaster. Sure, injuries happen, and players suddenly don't play to the back of their baseball cards, but his experiments this year have been a failure. Plus, Milwaukee seems to be doing just fine, if not thriving since he left, so...
Players play the game and coaches coach while management builds! It’s painfully obvious that the Mets brass went into the offseason grossly miscalculating the signings of their starting pitchers. I’d argue that they are afraid to trade for and sign #1 ace starters between the age of 25 to 29, with multiple prime years left.
Our only move perhaps is if they go against the grain and call up Tong, Sproat and McClean from AAA, to start while placing Montas in the bullpen and having openers to start the game when Senga and Holmes take their turns in the rotation.
Ace starters between 25 and 29? The big 3 last winter were Burnes, Fried, and Snell. Snell is 32 and has barely pitched this year; Burnes is coming up on 31 and blew out his elbow; Fried is 31 and has pitched well for Yankees, but assuredly won't be at age 39 which is when his contract runs out. So what your hoping for isn't realistic.
Fair enough. Add the trade market to that equation: Garrett Crochet last offseason + this most recent trade deadline, there was also Edward Cabrera and Joe Ryan but NYM did want do fork over the top prospects.
Mendoza is in his second season and stll manages like he only knows the stats, not the guys, and what actually do. I wonder how long it takes Cohen to realize he is overpaying for a lot for flawed players, whose flaws have been highlighted by organization mess. (Nimmo for one. Would rather have teh .400 OBP guy than the slugger he is tryig to be. Strkees out WAY to much.)
Sundry question: do we lead the majors in hitting batsmen with bases loaded? Suspect we might.
Did you get a look at the batting averages of the Mets lineup. I think one guy was above .260. Home Run or strike out. Station to station baseball is boring, and also is generally not productive. And here comes the Reds.
The Braves played the Marlins tough.
In the "they keep dragging me back in" department, the Mets' playoff odds are still high. Do the Reds have a tough schedule? Do odds makers assume the Mets will stop losing every day?
Si no reaccionamos en la próxima serie de seis juegos en el Citi Field, preveo un ambiente muy crispado e incluso hostil. 🤦🏻♂️
El problema creo que es mental. Hasta el 5-0 parecíamos un equipo consistente y que incluso sabe jugar al baseball. Sin embargo, no estaba tranquilo y cuando los Brewers anotaron la primera carrera presentí el descarrilamiento. Con el empate 6-6 tenía claro que íbamos a perder, sin llegar siquiera a entradas extras. Simplemente se notaba, viendo las caras de abatimiento y sorpresa de los propios jugadores. Qué tal dejar a Nimmo y a Lindor fuera de la alineación un par de partidos para ver si así reaccionan?
I've given up on this team. It's almost college football season.